MCPS is okaying students and teachers using AI on assignments

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don't need to learn how to use AI in elementary or middle school or even most of high school.

Don't give them access to the internet. Have them learn to read and write and do math using pen, paper and calculators in school and MCPS will achieve more than it does now.

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You need to wake up and understand we live in a competitive world, one in which most children will access the internet, learn a ton, and use AI effectively. You cannot live like a digital Amish and then expect to benefit from the fruits of everyone's tech expertise later on in life.

I think for ES/MS AI shouldn't be allowed, but for maybe Jrs/Srs in HS, it makes sense for them to start learning how to use AI effectively.

Agree with a PP, AI is here to stay, and in today's job market, you need to know how to use AI. This was the message that some commencement speakers at colleges tried to explain to graduates (much to their disgust, and those speakers got boo'd. I do think the speakers were tone deaf about it).

It's not just the tech sector that's pushing AI on their employees. It's happening in other industries, too.

My DC is a UMD and had one professor tell them that they can use AI but only for certain parts of the assignment. DC has also used it for other purposes, but they always check the output. UMD has its own AI tool (powered by OpenAI) that students can access. I think colleges are now seeing the writing on the wall and incorporating AI use in its curriculum.

College is a great time to learn to use AI, after you have learned fundamental writing and math skills

I kind of agree with you, but I think HS kids will definitely use AI, and so putting guardrails around it makes sense.

[Anonymous]

I'm a software engineer who uses AI heavily to stay competitive. Using AI degrades skills, but allows you to accomplish more. It doesn't have much place in education unless the goal of education is to get a higher GPA, more accolades, finishing coursework with less effort, all while retaining less knowledge and understanding. I get why kids do it. They don't want to lose out to peers for getting a job, but please don't be under the impression this is going to be a boost for education. In 5 years the proof will be indisputable that AI correlated strongly with a drop in reading, writing, and math, just like the smartphone.

Also, AI isn't some difficult skill that kids need to become proficient at to begin with. Anybody can type into a chat window and ask a bot for help.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don't need to learn how to use AI in elementary or middle school or even most of high school.

Don't give them access to the internet. Have them learn to read and write and do math using pen, paper and calculators in school and MCPS will achieve more than it does now.

+1

You need to wake up and understand we live in a competitive world, one in which most children will access the internet, learn a ton, and use AI effectively. You cannot live like a digital Amish and then expect to benefit from the fruits of everyone's tech expertise later on in life.

I think for ES/MS AI shouldn't be allowed, but for maybe Jrs/Srs in HS, it makes sense for them to start learning how to use AI effectively.

Agree with a PP, AI is here to stay, and in today's job market, you need to know how to use AI. This was the message that some commencement speakers at colleges tried to explain to graduates (much to their disgust, and those speakers got boo'd. I do think the speakers were tone deaf about it).

It's not just the tech sector that's pushing AI on their employees. It's happening in other industries, too.

My DC is a UMD and had one professor tell them that they can use AI but only for certain parts of the assignment. DC has also used it for other purposes, but they always check the output. UMD has its own AI tool (powered by OpenAI) that students can access. I think colleges are now seeing the writing on the wall and incorporating AI use in its curriculum.

College is a great time to learn to use AI, after you have learned fundamental writing and math skills

I kind of agree with you, but I think HS kids will definitely use AI, and so putting guardrails around it makes sense.

Maybe for home assignments but there is no reason why they need to have access to it at school. Don't allow cell phones, don't use Chromebooks, do work either pencil and paper. That's what the schools that tech bros send their kids to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm a software engineer who uses AI heavily to stay competitive. Using AI degrades skills, but allows you to accomplish more. It doesn't have much place in education unless the goal of education is to get a higher GPA, more accolades, finishing coursework with less effort, all while retaining less knowledge and understanding. I get why kids do it. They don't want to lose out to peers for getting a job, but please don't be under the impression this is going to be a boost for education. In 5 years the proof will be indisputable that AI correlated strongly with a drop in reading, writing, and math, just like the smartphone.

Also, AI isn't some difficult skill that kids need to become proficient at to begin with. Anybody can type into a chat window and ask a bot for help.

I think for simple things, yes, but for complex things, you need to know how to ask AI the right question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a software engineer who uses AI heavily to stay competitive. Using AI degrades skills, but allows you to accomplish more. It doesn't have much place in education unless the goal of education is to get a higher GPA, more accolades, finishing coursework with less effort, all while retaining less knowledge and understanding. I get why kids do it. They don't want to lose out to peers for getting a job, but please don't be under the impression this is going to be a boost for education. In 5 years the proof will be indisputable that AI correlated strongly with a drop in reading, writing, and math, just like the smartphone.

Also, AI isn't some difficult skill that kids need to become proficient at to begin with. Anybody can type into a chat window and ask a bot for help.

I think for simple things, yes, but for complex things, you need to know how to ask AI the right question.

DP but yes, for asking the right questions, you need to actually know things.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a software engineer who uses AI heavily to stay competitive. Using AI degrades skills, but allows you to accomplish more. It doesn't have much place in education unless the goal of education is to get a higher GPA, more accolades, finishing coursework with less effort, all while retaining less knowledge and understanding. I get why kids do it. They don't want to lose out to peers for getting a job, but please don't be under the impression this is going to be a boost for education. In 5 years the proof will be indisputable that AI correlated strongly with a drop in reading, writing, and math, just like the smartphone.

Also, AI isn't some difficult skill that kids need to become proficient at to begin with. Anybody can type into a chat window and ask a bot for help.

I think for simple things, yes, but for complex things, you need to know how to ask AI the right question.

DP but yes, for asking the right questions, you need to actually know things.

This is also all functioning under the assumption that teachers know how to actually teach these “more complex prompting asks” or whatever. I am a high school English teacher and I don’t, nor do I have any desire to learn how to to then turn around to teach it to students.

I honestly don’t get where we see the functionality of this in the classroom anyway: brainstorming? Like that’s the skill students should be working on themselves - it’s a skill they need to sharpen. Writing? Same thing. Even polishing - it takes a students genuine writing and voice and flattens it into something that’s not theirs and sounds like everybody else’s. It’s obvious, boing, and altogether evades a student building these foundational and fundamental skills themselves. And grading it is that much more difficult because it’s just. Not. Their. Writing. And that’s what we’re in the classroom to do!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm a software engineer who uses AI heavily to stay competitive. Using AI degrades skills, but allows you to accomplish more. It doesn't have much place in education unless the goal of education is to get a higher GPA, more accolades, finishing coursework with less effort, all while retaining less knowledge and understanding. I get why kids do it. They don't want to lose out to peers for getting a job, but please don't be under the impression this is going to be a boost for education. In 5 years the proof will be indisputable that AI correlated strongly with a drop in reading, writing, and math, just like the smartphone.

Also, AI isn't some difficult skill that kids need to become proficient at to begin with. Anybody can type into a chat window and ask a bot for help.

I think for simple things, yes, but for complex things, you need to know how to ask AI the right question.

…..Which requires knowledge and critical thinking and is exactly why we are saying AI has no place in education.

[Anonymous]

To quote many students in class and the hallway “just ChatGPT it bro”.

We do need a total ban. The kids cannot handle nuance and will just argue.

[Anonymous]

Abstinence only education doesn’t work with sex or drugs. It won’t work with AI.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abstinence only education doesn’t work with sex or drugs. It won’t work with AI.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abstinence only education doesn’t work with sex or drugs. It won’t work with AI.

I am totally fine with them having a technology class that includes a section on safe, ethical and permissible use of AI.

Then the rest of the day they can learn to read, write, do math, and think critically.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:AI is getting used whether you want it or not.

The wisest solution is to study and regulate its use, instead of banning it, and teach students HOW TO QUERY, which is the one trait that will distinguish an intelligent human user from an unintelligent human user. I can tell you don't use it much, OP.

Why? Because AI is here to stay at all degrees of school and work. If you want to ban AI, you are forcing students to become less competitive compared to peers.

All schools and workplaces should be developing their own regulations.

Keep repeating it and maybe it will work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Abstinence only education doesn’t work with sex or drugs. It won’t work with AI.

Do you let your kids drink at home too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids don't need to learn how to use AI in elementary or middle school or even most of high school.

Don't give them access to the internet. Have them learn to read and write and do math using pen, paper and calculators in school and MCPS will achieve more than it does now.

+1

You need to wake up and understand we live in a competitive world, one in which most children will access the internet, learn a ton, and use AI effectively. You cannot live like a digital Amish and then expect to benefit from the fruits of everyone's tech expertise later on in life.

I think for ES/MS AI shouldn't be allowed, but for maybe Jrs/Srs in HS, it makes sense for them to start learning how to use AI effectively.

Agree with a PP, AI is here to stay, and in today's job market, you need to know how to use AI. This was the message that some commencement speakers at colleges tried to explain to graduates (much to their disgust, and those speakers got boo'd. I do think the speakers were tone deaf about it).

It's not just the tech sector that's pushing AI on their employees. It's happening in other industries, too.

My DC is a UMD and had one professor tell them that they can use AI but only for certain parts of the assignment. DC has also used it for other purposes, but they always check the output. UMD has its own AI tool (powered by OpenAI) that students can access. I think colleges are now seeing the writing on the wall and incorporating AI use in its curriculum.

College is a great time to learn to use AI, after you have learned fundamental writing and math skills

I kind of agree with you, but I think HS kids will definitely use AI, and so putting guardrails around it makes sense.

Maybe for home assignments but there is no reason why they need to have access to it at school. Don't allow cell phones, don't use Chromebooks, do work either pencil and paper. That's what the schools that tech bros send their kids to do.

Let's be real. The tech bros don't actually do that, and they spin it to make themselves look good. Of course, those kids have cell phones, laptops/chromebooks and tablets. If that's what you want for your kids, fine, but I want mine to function in the real world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:AI is getting used whether you want it or not.

The wisest solution is to study and regulate its use, instead of banning it, and teach students HOW TO QUERY, which is the one trait that will distinguish an intelligent human user from an unintelligent human user. I can tell you don't use it much, OP.

Why? Because AI is here to stay at all degrees of school and work. If you want to ban AI, you are forcing students to become less competitive compared to peers.

All schools and workplaces should be developing their own regulations.

Keep repeating it and maybe it will work.

AI is here to stay. Teachers are using it according to the students to grade.