MCPS is okaying students and teachers using AI on assignments

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Anonymous wrote:AI is getting used whether you want it or not.

The wisest solution is to study and regulate its use, instead of banning it, and teach students HOW TO QUERY, which is the one trait that will distinguish an intelligent human user from an unintelligent human user. I can tell you don't use it much, OP.

Why? Because AI is here to stay at all degrees of school and work. If you want to ban AI, you are forcing students to become less competitive compared to peers.

All schools and workplaces should be developing their own regulations.

💯 I’m in graduate school right now and the use of AI is allowed. But you have to understand how it’s allowed. I think a scale could be a good way to keicodd guidance to both educators and students.


Ironically I’m currently in an ethics course and the professor had to send out a class-wide email reminded students of the proper use of AI. Adults are not using it wisely either.

It’s here. It’s not going anywhere. And we need to standardize the use to help students (and adults) learn how to utilize it as a tool. Just like calculators were a worry in math - obviously on a much grander scale- this is a tool we need to learn how to incorporate to help ensure our student success in this connected, global world.

Plus, kids are so clever, we need to also understand this tech to keep on top of them.

It's "not going anywhere" because people like you are spineless and greedy and don't question the massive social and political implications of blindly running headfirst towards a product that is specifically designed to eliminate human endeavor for the profit of a few wealthy billionaires and their associates. You are just trying to benefit yourself at the expense of those around you. Don't try to act like WE are the crazy ones for questioning the whole plan.

What an absolutely unhinged idiotic comment. Get your head out of the sand.

It’s not going anywhere because THAT IS REALITY

You can still protest and be upset at the environmental factor.

Both things can be true. If you want to talk about being spineless and greedy let’s start with all the carbon impact you have on the planet right now.

We are not the enemy. But go ahead lash out blindly.

[Anonymous]

My kid just told me that another kid was bragging today that he cheated on MAP M test using AI on a test. He got a really high score (290) being 2 grades below (8th rader tsking 7th grade math.) I feel so annoyed when my hard working son who does not use AI will be bypassed by those that cheat.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid just told me that another kid was bragging today that he cheated on MAP M test using AI on a test. He got a really high score (290) being 2 grades below (8th rader tsking 7th grade math.) I feel so annoyed when my hard working son who does not use AI will be bypassed by those that cheat.

Your child should consider tell the teacher or principal to at least advocate for banning AI for future tests. I think under no circumstances that AI should be used for a test.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kid just told me that another kid was bragging today that he cheated on MAP M test using AI on a test. He got a really high score (290) being 2 grades below (8th rader tsking 7th grade math.) I feel so annoyed when my hard working son who does not use AI will be bypassed by those that cheat.

Your child should consider tell the teacher or principal to at least advocate for banning AI for future tests. I think under no circumstances that AI should be used for a test.

That was MAP M test. Phones are not allowed during such tests.

He does not know this student. He overheard it in the gym. He would not report the cheater anyways. its a no no for most of the teenagers.

In the topic that was deleted multiple times about blair students cheating on AP exams, some parents said that those who cheat and know how to use AI will be the ones who will achieve success later in life. Maybe they are equating AI cheaters to "street smarts" in the past?

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Anonymous wrote:My high schooler essentially uses it as an editor and it is fantastic. They also use it to study (guides, quizzes, etc...). It's almost like a peer tutor or teacher (that must be vetted). I myself put a lot of my writing through as an editor. And I've asked for citations. And I've used it to get email tone right.

I'm also a professor. I see good uses and bad. From students and colleagues. Including one who used it to write a non-sensical annual review that I have to ask them to rewrite.

I have no issue with this policy whatsoever. How do they implement and enforce it consistently? That's a challenge.

Kids need to learn to edit their own work before they start relying on AI to do it. Similarly for brainstorming and all the other 'good" uses of AI.

Frankly even adults who previously built skills are seeing them eroded by depending on AI for them, like people with previously strong muscles seeing them wither after being confined to bed for months. But at least adults built those muscles in the first place. It's an absolute travesty when kids never struggle through learning and getting better at certain skills because AI can do it for them "better."

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If a teacher gives a self-grading Google Form quiz, that is AI. It’s not terribly different than making a scantron key and running it through the device.

Here is how it can improve instruction and assessments:

A teacher may be more like to give many quick, self-grading checks for understanding to help steer instruction and reteaching. Eventually, the teacher can provided individualized writing assessment.

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Reading this thread makes me think back to 2006, when cell phone became more prolific. Many teachers said they weren’t good for education. But there were a group of people who said that this is where things are going. Things got relax, cell phones became conduits for social media, and kids became accustomed to using their phones whenever they were done with work, or even when they were supposed to be working. Now, people have figured out that phones are not good, and we’re trying to put the genie back in the bottle with initiatives that no one is willing to enforce other than demanding teachers should shoulder all the responsibility.
AI will go the same direction. We’ll incorporate and accept it even though teachers are saying it’s not good for education. The technology will morph into an all consuming product that is designed to keep people engaged to expose them to advertising. Some study will link declining educational performance to AI use. A discussion of an AI ban will begin with “tough” policies. But, a new technology (I’m thinking neurological implants) will emerge, and we’ll start the cycle again.

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Anonymous wrote:Reading this thread makes me think back to 2006, when cell phone became more prolific. Many teachers said they weren’t good for education. But there were a group of people who said that this is where things are going. Things got relax, cell phones became conduits for social media, and kids became accustomed to using their phones whenever they were done with work, or even when they were supposed to be working. Now, people have figured out that phones are not good, and we’re trying to put the genie back in the bottle with initiatives that no one is willing to enforce other than demanding teachers should shoulder all the responsibility.
AI will go the same direction. We’ll incorporate and accept it even though teachers are saying it’s not good for education. The technology will morph into an all consuming product that is designed to keep people engaged to expose them to advertising. Some study will link declining educational performance to AI use. A discussion of an AI ban will begin with “tough” policies. But, a new technology (I’m thinking neurological implants) will emerge, and we’ll start the cycle again.

The solution is not complicated. But it does require pencil, paper and physical books

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My kid just told me that another kid was bragging today that he cheated on MAP M test using AI on a test. He got a really high score (290) being 2 grades below (8th rader tsking 7th grade math.) I feel so annoyed when my hard working son who does not use AI will be bypassed by those that cheat.

How do you even cheat on a MAP-M with AI? He gave the question to AI and asked for the answer? Don't you have to show the steps in Math?

[Anonymous]

As a teacher, albeit a newer one, I was under the impression that when students accessed tests like MAP-M in NWEA or whatever it is, it disables the rest of their applications. Like you can't even access google or AI.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, albeit a newer one, I was under the impression that when students accessed tests like MAP-M in NWEA or whatever it is, it disables the rest of their applications. Like you can't even access google or AI.

Kids get around all the controls

[Anonymous]

Now the admin can chastise and bully the teachers if they use AI or if they dont use a ai just like they bullied us if we report the crime or if we don't report the crime. With a lame and expensive union teachers have no job security or personal protection.

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I am so confused by the comments here. Most supporting this are saying AI is reality and here to stay so we might as well have it in school. It's like people saying cell phones/tablets and social media is here to stay so we might as well incorporate it into childhood education. Just because something is reality does not mean your children will benefit from its use during formative years when they should be learning the hard things, like critical thinking and reading and writing.

More importantly, precisely because AI is here to stay, the only thing that will make anyone stand out is their humanness, not their ability to use AI. Anyone can use AI, but as they say, garbage in, garbage out. AI is only as good as the person using it so it still comes down to how smart the person is. And you don't get smart kids by using AI in their formative years.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids don't need to learn how to use AI in elementary or middle school or even most of high school.

Don't give them access to the internet. Have them learn to read and write and do math using pen, paper and calculators in school and MCPS will achieve more than it does now.

+1

You need to wake up and understand we live in a competitive world, one in which most children will access the internet, learn a ton, and use AI effectively. You cannot live like a digital Amish and then expect to benefit from the fruits of everyone's tech expertise later on in life.

I think for ES/MS AI shouldn't be allowed, but for maybe Jrs/Srs in HS, it makes sense for them to start learning how to use AI effectively.

Agree with a PP, AI is here to stay, and in today's job market, you need to know how to use AI. This was the message that some commencement speakers at colleges tried to explain to graduates (much to their disgust, and those speakers got boo'd. I do think the speakers were tone deaf about it).

It's not just the tech sector that's pushing AI on their employees. It's happening in other industries, too.

My DC is a UMD and had one professor tell them that they can use AI but only for certain parts of the assignment. DC has also used it for other purposes, but they always check the output. UMD has its own AI tool (powered by OpenAI) that students can access. I think colleges are now seeing the writing on the wall and incorporating AI use in its curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Kids don't need to learn how to use AI in elementary or middle school or even most of high school.

Don't give them access to the internet. Have them learn to read and write and do math using pen, paper and calculators in school and MCPS will achieve more than it does now.

+1

You need to wake up and understand we live in a competitive world, one in which most children will access the internet, learn a ton, and use AI effectively. You cannot live like a digital Amish and then expect to benefit from the fruits of everyone's tech expertise later on in life.

I think for ES/MS AI shouldn't be allowed, but for maybe Jrs/Srs in HS, it makes sense for them to start learning how to use AI effectively.

Agree with a PP, AI is here to stay, and in today's job market, you need to know how to use AI. This was the message that some commencement speakers at colleges tried to explain to graduates (much to their disgust, and those speakers got boo'd. I do think the speakers were tone deaf about it).

It's not just the tech sector that's pushing AI on their employees. It's happening in other industries, too.

My DC is a UMD and had one professor tell them that they can use AI but only for certain parts of the assignment. DC has also used it for other purposes, but they always check the output. UMD has its own AI tool (powered by OpenAI) that students can access. I think colleges are now seeing the writing on the wall and incorporating AI use in its curriculum.

College is a great time to learn to use AI, after you have learned fundamental writing and math skills