New article on child ADHD treatment in Bethesda magazine

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Just curious whether you had your child's pediatrician or a hospital conduct these labs. I remember DS had lead tests as a routine part of his annual physical until he was 3 or 4. Or does the poster believe that anything a pediatrician does is somehow suspect/tainted?

Although I collected the urine and sent it in for myself, my pediatrician runs the same tests from the same labs. Only difference is I paid out of pocket for this one because I wanted the results sent directly to me. The same pediatricians who read the results wrote medical exemptions for all three of my children, stating that it is a risk to vaccinate.

Not every pediatrician is suspect. There are several that I trust who have opened their eyes to western medicine and are researching alternative methods. Mostly, I have no use for them as they're main job is to hand out antibiotics and vaccines like candy.

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Anonymous wrote:
Just curious whether you had your child's pediatrician or a hospital conduct these labs. I remember DS had lead tests as a routine part of his annual physical until he was 3 or 4. Or does the poster believe that anything a pediatrician does is somehow suspect/tainted?

Although I collected the urine and sent it in for myself, my pediatrician runs the same tests from the same labs. Only difference is I paid out of pocket for this one because I wanted the results sent directly to me. The same pediatricians who read the results wrote medical exemptions for all three of my children, stating that it is a risk to vaccinate.

Not every pediatrician is suspect. There are several that I trust who have opened their eyes to western medicine and are researching alternative methods. Mostly, I have no use for them as they're main job is to hand out antibiotics and vaccines like candy.

A very interesting take on things. My own perception is that both pediatricians and adult internists have become very cautious about handing out antibiotics like candy.

More broadly, you obviously didn't grow up in a world without antibiotics and vaccines and really can't judge just how much worse our lives would be without them.

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Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

If your children were tested using a provoked urine test, the results are not accurate:

http://www.drcranton.com/mercury/mercurytesting.htm

Blood is the best method for testing or metals. Also, we all have trace amounts of metals in our system, so the presence of them alone means nothing, its the amount. And, again, if it was the provoked test you just don't know the amount.

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That is so funny that you pulled this article from a doctor that promotes chelation. He wrote a book on EDTA chelation.

http://www.drcranton.com/chelation.htm

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Anonymous wrote:That is so funny that you pulled this article from a doctor that promotes chelation. He wrote a book on EDTA chelation.

http://www.drcranton.com/chelation.htm

And that is what is so interesting about this particular thread. There are parents, myself included, who view stuff like chelation -- which had in the past a very defined and limited use -- as sheer quackery. Obviously, those who pursue natural or alternative therapies view those of us who opt for medication for ourselves and our kids as poisoners.

I don't think medicine provides solutions to everything. In DS' case, medicine (ADHD meds) have provided some benefit, but it hasn't been overwhelmingly great. But I can't see investing thousands of dollars in stuff like chelation.

Regarding the lead test, BTW, our son's was always done by drawing blood - and was not deemed to have any dangerous levels of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

You may have some valid or interesting points but they get swamped by your negative tone. I find myself unable to glean anything of value from your posts because your reactions come across and knee-jerk, judgmental and escalating. It makes me think that if you really had objectivity and science on your side, you'd be able to share without being so aggressive and angry. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way. It reminds me very much of some of the extreme political commentators who are unable to discourse civily. If this is an view you want people to take seriously, I hope you consider my observations and adjust how you communicate your message. There is a way to disagree and have different takes on things without alienating the other side.

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Anonymous wrote:That is so funny that you pulled this article from a doctor that promotes chelation. He wrote a book on EDTA chelation.

http://www.drcranton.com/chelation.htm

Goodness, i don't support chelation. I found a bunch of descriptions of testing for heavy metals that said essentially the same thing, that provoked tests are worthless, and i just picked this one. Didn't know about the guy's background. I'm glad that at least he doesn't rely on quackery tests.

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Ahem. Please see this enlightening post on why urine metal testing is quackery.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

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Anonymous wrote:Ahem. Please see this enlightening post on why urine metal testing is quackery.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

Thank God there are sites to expose this stuff -- and it is sad to see so many parents pursuing such dangerous treatments...

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I'm with 15:02 about a useful message lost in anger. As someone who has been successfully treated with alternative therapies, including acupuncture, nutritional supplements and homeopathy for a long-standing chronic condition and now finding them helpful as a go through a miserable menopause, this vitriolic tone does nothing to open a platform for sharing positive experiences in alternative health choices.

My SI son was helped immensely through homeopathy at ages 3-4. He also has been helped with some nutritional supplements - but not all are equal and one must be careful.

Not everyone has the time or ability to research in-depth. I find it hepful to share info, but only to say, it worked for me. It might work for you. At various points, I have also had to be on some heavy-duty medicines too.

My personal experience with doctors is that most have none to little training in nutrition. Often the best you can hope for is someone who is open-minded and willing to work with you. I found one for myself and one for my child. She let me set up an alternative vaccination schedule. He got all his shots - just not in huge batches all at once.

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Anonymous wrote:Ahem. Please see this enlightening post on why urine metal testing is quackery.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

Thanks for posting this. It was very informative.

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Anonymous wrote:Ahem. Please see this enlightening post on why urine metal testing is quackery.

http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/urine_toxic.html

Thanks for posting this. It was very informative.

I agree....it is a very imformative site. It's a great compilation of data including news publication articles, research studies, lawsuits, complaints filed to various State health boards and medical examiners, etc. I hope parents will use this site to research these alternative treatments before subjecting their children to them.