New article on child ADHD treatment in Bethesda magazine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And lets see....you give up supplements because they did nothing, right? Well, out of the thousands, how many have you tried? I'm so sick of people saying that they gave fish oil and a multivitamin and later say "it didn't work". That's NOT supplementation. Do any of you test for any physical conditions or does your doc have you convinced that it's all neurological?

Have you tried GABA for hyperactivity? Have you tried any yeast/fungal cleanses? Have you tried any natural antibacterials? Have you done a parasite cleanse? Have you ever tested for what probiotics exist in the gut? Have you done an agitated heavy metal test? Have you tested for PANDAS? Have you titer tested for measles, HV6, epstein barre, herpes zoster, etc, etc? Nutrition doesn't come in a can of green beans...have you tried any superfoods like bluegreen algae, wheatgrass, barleygrass, or spirulina?

Don't tell me you've "tried" if you haven't given your full attention to the condition before running to something to suppress the condition.

You all are freaking pathetic.

I did try many of above for over a year and more (including several blood tests), with the guidance of DAN! doctor with a really good reputation (including hours on my own person research). Nothing worked, the Dr ended up recommending ADD medication... saying to me that biomedical does not work on everyone. You are really giving the alternative route folks a bad name with posts like this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

In some ways, this discussion shows why our country is in decline. ADHD medications do have a lot of difficult side effects but there is ample scientific proof out there that they can be very beneficial. This criticism of medication as a conspiracy by the pharmaceutical industry could be directed against cancer therapies or any other medication. I often wonder whether the parents who rant about the evils of ADHD medication would refuse medical treatment such as chemo for, say, God forbid, cancer. So many educated parents refuse to accept science, it seems. Recently, I attended a forum on ADHD through the Arlington Public Schools -- one parent got up and demanded to know whether the school system was evaluating whether the food served in Arlington school cafeterias was causing the rise in ADHD among Arlington public school students.

That's actually a perfectly reasonable question to ask.

It's quite likely that a diet high in artificial preservatives, dyes and flavorings can contribute to increased ADHD symptoms in susceptible populations. It's certainly worth looking at removing those ingredients, and adding more omega-3 oils, to reduce these symptoms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you ensure that the fish oil you give your kids doesn't have mercury in it?

Here's a list of fish oils tested by the Environmental Defense Fund.

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=16536

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's quite likely that a diet high in artificial preservatives, dyes and flavorings can contribute to increased ADHD symptoms in susceptible populations. It's certainly worth looking at removing those ingredients, and adding more omega-3 oils, to reduce these symptoms.

Most research does not support this. Even if true, it wouldn't be worth the money for a school system to investigate this. Parents concerned about this should evaluate this themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And lets see....you give up supplements because they did nothing, right? Well, out of the thousands, how many have you tried? I'm so sick of people saying that they gave fish oil and a multivitamin and later say "it didn't work". That's NOT supplementation. Do any of you test for any physical conditions or does your doc have you convinced that it's all neurological?

Have you tried GABA for hyperactivity? Have you tried any yeast/fungal cleanses? Have you tried any natural antibacterials? Have you done a parasite cleanse? Have you ever tested for what probiotics exist in the gut? Have you done an agitated heavy metal test? Have you tested for PANDAS? Have you titer tested for measles, HV6, epstein barre, herpes zoster, etc, etc? Nutrition doesn't come in a can of green beans...have you tried any superfoods like bluegreen algae, wheatgrass, barleygrass, or spirulina?

Don't tell me you've "tried" if you haven't given your full attention to the condition before running to something to suppress the condition.

You all are freaking pathetic.

Now I know this is a troll! Gawd forbid it's not. Can you imagine subjecting your kid to all that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

Maybe there are charlatans out there who fake these test results to desperate parents. My child is not on the spectrum but does have ADHD. If there are no known points of exposure (lead paint etc), I do not see how a child could have elevated lead levels...

[Anonymous]

And now my lab is falsifying information? Wow, you are a piece of work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

NP here, who is very interested in a biomedical approach and who would never question your kids' test results (really not sure why anyone is!). But I just want to add to the discussion that I don't think you can ever take genetics out of the equation. In the case of heavy metals, some people may be able to eliminate them from their bodies more efficiently than others, thus limiting their exposure. Just like with allergens or even nicotine, people's responses to the toxins to which we are exposed every day may vary enormously. I don't think we are dealing with a dichotomy here, but something much more complex. Personally I am for a rigorous scientific approach that tries to take into account genetic and environmental factors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:And now my lab is falsifying information? Wow, you are a piece of work.

No more than you are, sadly

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

I'm not doubting the results, but there is a lot of controversy over how the tests are conducted and normed. I believe there was a thread about this over the summer. So just because a lab said X, Y, Z, that doesn't give a lot of definitive information about what to do with the results or whether they even mean anything.

PLus, the fact that your two children had differing results doesn't rule out a genetic cause. The particular details of how genes play out can differ. For example, two women can have the precise same breast cancer mutation but if they get breast cancer, it is unlikely that their two pathologies will be the same.

You never did answer the question about what you think to accomplish with the nastiness and name-calling.

[Anonymous]

I find it interesting that people think a 'supplement' is always safer than a medication. A pill is a pill whether it is 'alternative' or mainstream. Some regulated pharmaceuticals have higher risks, side effects, and addictiveness but so do some 'natural' alternatives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ah, and now you're calling me delusional. My DC with an ASD did not regress (most children with autism do not have the regressive form, and in those that do, studies have found that the children actually did have some delays before they regressed). Viruses, metals, vaccines had nothing to do with it. All the signs were there before his first vaccine. Most parents I know with kids on the spectrum would say the same thing.

Yes, I have three very close relatives who also have ASDs. So let's recap, close relatives with ASDs, no regression, no impact from viruses or vaccines, and yet you say I'm delusional to think genetics is at the root of this. What you have is the very definition of a fixed idea. You are wedding to your particular theory in all cases and no matter what the countervailing evidence -- I'm sure you have an explanation for everything that doesn't fit your idea.

So Ms. Smarter-than-the-rest-of-us, some questions:
1. Do you have a child with an ASD or any other disability?
2. Why are you so hostile toward those of us who do have such children? Why the name-calling, the nastiness? What is it that you seek here -- to establish your superiority over the rest of us?

Did you give hep B at birth? Did you give vaccines at 4 months? Has your child ever been exposed to a strep bacteria? Have your relatives ever been vaccinated? If so, you can NEVER say for sure what happened.

Yes, I have vaccine-injured children.

No, I'm not smarter than you, I just didn't give up. Why did you ever stop questioning?

I'm not insensative to special needs parents. I lack compassion for those who look for the easiest solution so as not to be bothered by their child's behaviors without looking for the cause. Autism is not a cause. ADHD is not a cause. They are just labels.

I understand why people look for alternative treatments but the person claiming that autism is caused by vaccines just is not borne out by science. There have been numerous studies debunking this mistaken theory.

I find myself outright mystified by the "heavy metals" (presumably including lead exposure) stuff -- I may be making too many assumptions but the DCUM community is overwhelmingly middle to upper middle class in my estimation and the possibility of toxic lead exposure seems pretty close to zero in the types of communities/lines of work we live in/engage in.

Do you want to take a look at all three of my children's heavy metal test results?

Lead, Arsenic, Aluminum, Antimony, Barium, Cadmium, Cesium, Gadolinium, Nickel, Thallium, Tin and Tungsten. That's just ONE kid. My autistic child has all these plus more evident levels of Tungsten, Nickel, Cesium and Barium. How the hell does a child get exposed to this shit? My child with neurological ticks has more elevated levels of Cadmium.

If this were genetic or based on the food that we as a family are eating, the levels should be the same across the board regarding my children. But they're not. So how the hell does anyone explain all the heavy metals present in my children? I've never lived in an older home to have had lead exposure, but my kids have it. All three presented with lead, two presented with mercury.

Do you really want to try to tell me that my scientific test results are wrong? I have documented evidence of harm, as well as thousands of others who have bothered to second guess the vaccine industry. You can let your child remain neurologically damaged, that's fine with me. But don't tell me or anyone else, who has their child's best interest at heart, that there is no way to heal their child. I know too many people who have recovered and healed their children of vaccine-induced injury, and with NO therapies every needed or used.

Just curious whether you had your child's pediatrician or a hospital conduct these labs. I remember DS had lead tests as a routine part of his annual physical until he was 3 or 4. Or does the poster believe that anything a pediatrician does is somehow suspect/tainted?

[Anonymous]

10:51 Great post. I agree. I like that you stayed out of the mudslinging too.