Are people really that stupid/desperate?

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

Job hopping boosts income in a competitive job market, but has limited value to employers. So OPM wants basically to have a jobs program for young Republicans, and then leave for lobbying jobs? They aren’t going to do anything in that time, but I guess other hiring is down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If I couldn't come up with 5 bullets in 5 minutes or less I would not know how to find a different job anyway.

It's more that feds were concerned about what they'd do with the data, either feeding it into an AI. For certain roles there were also national security concerns.

[Anonymous]

We are getting applicants but they are much lower quality than we used to get. Our leadership is all Pikachu face and cant seem to figure it out so they say they are extending the application deadlines because maybe if you give it more time the applicant pool will improve.

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

Job hopping boosts income in a competitive job market, but has limited value to employers. So OPM wants basically to have a jobs program for young Republicans, and then leave for lobbying jobs? They aren’t going to do anything in that time, but I guess other hiring is down.

Yep the goal is a two year term workforce in perpetuity

https://nasaforce.gov/

[Anonymous]

It always makes sense to flush the bad apples now and then. keeps workforce on their toes and high performing.

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Anonymous wrote:It always makes sense to flush the bad apples now and then. keeps workforce on their toes and high performing.

Or in this case just fire the high performers that were recently promoted. Basically the same thing right?

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

Job hopping boosts income in a competitive job market, but has limited value to employers. So OPM wants basically to have a jobs program for young Republicans, and then leave for lobbying jobs? They aren’t going to do anything in that time, but I guess other hiring is down.

Yep the goal is a two year term workforce in perpetuity

https://nasaforce.gov/

+1. The idea is to turn the federal government into contractors for private industry, rather than the other way around.

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

The federal government will work on specific problems given to it by Space X, etc. After the term ends, the lucky ones will be hired by Space X.

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

The federal government will work on specific problems given to it by Space X, etc. After the term ends, the lucky ones will be hired by Space X.

SpaceX is a sweatshop. The IPO is already underway so there is lottery ticket for future employees.

[Anonymous]

Generally speaking, career Feds are decent people who keep the trains running. They are the ones recruiting/hiring. The politicals are an annoyance to be tolerated until the next ones arrive. But the career staff endure.

Nobody anticipates more positions will be eliminated. Quite the opposite; they must recruit to keep the trains running.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Amazing how many agencies are hiring lately and apparently have gotten applicants. How is that possible after the year of abuse — RIFs, doge, cancellation of TW and CBAs, low or zero pay raises, 5 bullets, criticism and insults, etc etc.

If any private company did something like that, they’d never get away with it — nobody would apply to work there for a long time. So how does the federal government get away with it?

You've not worked in the private sector, eh?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of people dont know what happened. I get it as a fed this stuff is in our face but the general public generally isnt aware of the scale of what happened. I suspect there is also a group of people that think they will just tough it out for a few years and things will get better.

A lot of the general public saw zero negative effects from the rifs, so they are either indifferent about them or felt that it was a good decision to reduce the number of federal employees.

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Anonymous wrote:At my agency you younger graduates will work for about 2 years or so and then move to private industry.

DOGE and republicans have pretty much made the working conditions worse than private industry and the pay is lower, so fed employment is just a step on the way to a career.

Assume the current administration doesn't want qualified people to actually stay, so it's a win win for them. Once the current supervisors who are constantly restraining everyone retire, we'll see what happens.

OPM doesn’t want longterm feds. I think they’re betting that AI can do everything Feds are currently doing.

Why do you say that?

https://fedscoop.com/two-year-tech-force-stints-aimed-young-approach-work-opm-director-says/

I would love to job hop and do different things, learning new things, but no one hires 50 years old that way. Also young people job hop because of remote work or more mobility (partly because they can’t afford to buy homes and have kids).

Honestly I am skeptical of what value an employee that is there for just 2 years even brings? They learn the systems and processes and then contribute for maybe 18 months, than leave? Unless they came in for a particular problem like a consultant or to build something simple like an ad campaign, it doesn’t support longer term multi year projects with staff churn. It works in tech because they are mostly making apps and such; I think with the AI efforts people will stay longer because those are much longer and more complicated engineering efforts.

Job hopping boosts income in a competitive job market, but has limited value to employers. So OPM wants basically to have a jobs program for young Republicans, and then leave for lobbying jobs? They aren’t going to do anything in that time, but I guess other hiring is down.

Yep the goal is a two year term workforce in perpetuity

https://nasaforce.gov/

I’m very open about trying different things and shaking up a system. I don’t automatically shut down ideas for idealogical reasons. I like to see where things take us.

This is stupid. Those early career folks won’t be able to find the bathroom within their term. They won’t have enough experience to hit the ground running. It will be a never ending cycle of teaching over and over and NASA not benefiting from was learned. I could see a term of 5 years being more realistic but 1-2 years is a waste of everyone’s time and energy.

[Anonymous]

I’m contemplating applying to Fed jobs. And I worked as a contractor and have friends still in the system, so understand everything that is going on right now.

I think Feds underestimate how ruthless the private sector is, especially nowadays. I would gladly take 40 hours work weeks and being able to take sick time/PTO without worrying that I’ll be first to be targeted for a laid off.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m contemplating applying to Fed jobs. And I worked as a contractor and have friends still in the system, so understand everything that is going on right now.

I think Feds underestimate how ruthless the private sector is, especially nowadays. I would gladly take 40 hours work weeks and being able to take sick time/PTO without worrying that I’ll be first to be targeted for a laid off.

Actually you will be the first one targeted for a layoff during your probationary period.