White Lotus 4

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Anonymous wrote:The Hollywood Reporter has Sandra Bernhardt in the cast, and the photo they have used has her looking a lot like Jennifer Coolidge. Maybe she plays a sister out for revenge?

The AI summary at the top of my Google search for “White Lotus 4 cast” also included Parker Posey. But that’s AI, bro.

Sandra Bernhardt is so gross on a visceral level.

I agree. I was thrilled when she finally faded away. I wont watch with her on.

Not even if she's a villain?

The people who simply won't watch with her on it don't get the show in the first place. If you don't have the friction of characters you dislike, or people you thought you liked doing stuff you absolutely can't approve of, the show is far less interesting. I like the idea of some polarizing actors on the show to play around with this. To a lesser degree, I think this was part of the idea behind Aubrey Plaza's casting in season 2, because she can be polarizing with audiences (some people love her indie vibes and sardonic voice, other people find this pretentious and put on), and then the storyline played with how much the audience identified with her or rejected her using the plot.

There is also basically a White Lotus genre character at this point -- the entitled rich bro. Jake Lacey, Theo James, Patrick Schwarzenegger -- good looking, but in an almost too square jawed and corporate way, playing to type but then with nuance as the characters reveal they are sometimes less loathesome than the people who knee-jerk hate them. As a longtime knee-jerk hater of frat boys and finance bros, that is one of my favorite parts of the show because it challenges my assumptions in such an interesting way. In Season 1 I obviously wanted to side with the hotel manager over Jake Lacey, but I am forced to admit that Jake Lacey's character was actually correct in that entire conflict. Theo James was pretty loathesome but it's slowly revealed that he's just more up front about his depravity and his wife and the couple positioned as his foil are perhaps just as bad but with the pretense of being better. And Patrick Schwarzenegger had perhaps the worst personality of the three bros and yet he was the one I ultimately found most sympathetic based on what happens to him over the course of his season. I love that Mike White took a character trope and messed around with my knee jerk reaction to him this much.

So anyone who is like "I find Sandra Bernhardt grating, I won't watch" doesn't really get the show. That's the whole point! That's why she was cast, because so many people will have the instant reaction of "ugh" and then Mike White will play around with that reaction in a surprising way.

This is a thoughtful analysis. Mine is simpler - there would be no White Lotus with a purely likable guest. That’s the whole point - ugly Americans go visit the world and then we see a peek of their humanity.

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I hope nore french actors will make an appearance

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Anonymous wrote:The Hollywood Reporter has Sandra Bernhardt in the cast, and the photo they have used has her looking a lot like Jennifer Coolidge. Maybe she plays a sister out for revenge?

The AI summary at the top of my Google search for “White Lotus 4 cast” also included Parker Posey. But that’s AI, bro.

Sandra Bernhardt is so gross on a visceral level.

I agree. I was thrilled when she finally faded away. I wont watch with her on.

Not even if she's a villain?

The people who simply won't watch with her on it don't get the show in the first place. If you don't have the friction of characters you dislike, or people you thought you liked doing stuff you absolutely can't approve of, the show is far less interesting. I like the idea of some polarizing actors on the show to play around with this. To a lesser degree, I think this was part of the idea behind Aubrey Plaza's casting in season 2, because she can be polarizing with audiences (some people love her indie vibes and sardonic voice, other people find this pretentious and put on), and then the storyline played with how much the audience identified with her or rejected her using the plot.

There is also basically a White Lotus genre character at this point -- the entitled rich bro. Jake Lacey, Theo James, Patrick Schwarzenegger -- good looking, but in an almost too square jawed and corporate way, playing to type but then with nuance as the characters reveal they are sometimes less loathesome than the people who knee-jerk hate them. As a longtime knee-jerk hater of frat boys and finance bros, that is one of my favorite parts of the show because it challenges my assumptions in such an interesting way. In Season 1 I obviously wanted to side with the hotel manager over Jake Lacey, but I am forced to admit that Jake Lacey's character was actually correct in that entire conflict. Theo James was pretty loathesome but it's slowly revealed that he's just more up front about his depravity and his wife and the couple positioned as his foil are perhaps just as bad but with the pretense of being better. And Patrick Schwarzenegger had perhaps the worst personality of the three bros and yet he was the one I ultimately found most sympathetic based on what happens to him over the course of his season. I love that Mike White took a character trope and messed around with my knee jerk reaction to him this much.

So anyone who is like "I find Sandra Bernhardt grating, I won't watch" doesn't really get the show. That's the whole point! That's why she was cast, because so many people will have the instant reaction of "ugh" and then Mike White will play around with that reaction in a surprising way.

This is a thoughtful analysis. Mine is simpler - there would be no White Lotus with a purely likable guest. That’s the whole point - ugly Americans go visit the world and then we see a peek of their humanity.

The non Americans are pretty ugly too. Jennifer Coolidge didn't just meet some friendly tourists who wanted to take her on a sunset cruise. Not to mention the Russians in Thailand.

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Anonymous wrote:Laura Dern is a fantastic choice!

Horrible choice. HBC would have been epic. Laura Dern is overrated on every level there is. Talentless Nepo baby.

I don’t even know who her parents are. She’s been fantastic in every role I’ve seen her in.

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Anonymous wrote:Laura Dern is a fantastic choice!

Horrible choice. HBC would have been epic. Laura Dern is overrated on every level there is. Talentless Nepo baby.

I don’t even know who her parents are. She’s been fantastic in every role I’ve seen her in.

Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd 🙄

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Anonymous wrote:Laura Dern is a fantastic choice!

Horrible choice. HBC would have been epic. Laura Dern is overrated on every level there is. Talentless Nepo baby.

I don’t even know who her parents are. She’s been fantastic in every role I’ve seen her in.

Her parents are/were both very famous and successful actors but I agree she's a terrific actor and is great in so many things. People don't like to admit this but sometimes nepo babies are actually better qualified to do the work because they received an early education in their chosen profession and had unlimited access to really talented mentors. Is that fair? No, technically it would be more fair if every aspiring actor was able to hang out on film sets with Bruce Dern and Diane Ladd from a young age and be assigned a successful Hollywood actor as a mentor. But that will never happen. Going into the family business has long been a way for people to get a leg up in their careers, it doesn't mean everyone who does it is untalented.

Laura Dern is very talented.