embarrassed to travel abroad as an American now?

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

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I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

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Anonymous wrote:By the way, it’s a myth that Europeans don’t like Trump. Many of them love him and think he’s on the right path, especially as it comes to immigration. We have told many people, especially in the rural areas, that we voted for Trump three times and they absolutely love it. So don’t be afraid to mention your conservative politics in Europe these days!

As someone with EU family, this is rich. My ancient great uncle lives in a tiny house in the edge of the sea in a village you have definitely never heard of and the very first thing he said to us was "boy that Trump is a [expletive] moron".

Sure, some people don’t like him, but plenty of Europeans do!

Keep telling yourself that.

NP. It's simply true. I had several interactions last year in Europe where people spoke approvingly of Trump. It was bizarre and unsettling.

I think I’ve told this story here before, but during Trump’s first term we were checking out of our hotel in Italy, and the elderly man working the front desk said in very broken English (still way better than my very bad Italian) “God Bless your President Trump.” As somebody who is very anti-Trump, all I could do is smile. To us it was a very strange and surprising interaction, and another reason why I never talk politics.

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Absolutely ashamed of Trump and the whole government nowl
I don't plan to travel abroad.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

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I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

You don't understand-- they don't count as "actual French people", just Americans who live in cities like NY, Chicago and LA aren't "real Americans"

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Many of them are recent immigrants, however, and not French citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

This. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:My mannerisms aren't very stereotypical American. I also tend to dress in a more European style. I just try to blend in with the crowds. Depending on how tan I am, I've been mistaken for being from a couple different countries.

LOL, I bet you’re super noticeable PP. Your loud, nasal American voice gives you away instantly. I live in Europe and see people like you everyday. Everyone knows. Fortunately they don’t really care.

Right but you have to be talking in order for the voice to give you away. I also live in Europe and it's pretty easy to blend in solo; I don't live somewhere where high fashion is the norm though. e.g., you're not going to stick out wearing jeans and sneakers. When my loud American kids are riding public transit with me that is a different story!

Jeans and sneakers? Is it still 1992? I see plenty of Europeans wearing all kinds of things, even Skechers! Again, the only thing that matters in Europe (and these days more than ever) is you your skin color, way more than in America. In my experience all treatment revolves around that.

^^And I’ll add that this is not limited to Europe. I can’t just put on local dress and blend in in Japan or Nigeria. This whole idea that dress makes you “blend in” is ridiculous. You either look like the majority of locals in a given country or you don’t, and nothing you put on can change that.

Nah, many of us can easily blend in with Europeans. And when our European family members visit us here in the US, they also blend in. I'm quite sure no one realizes they're foreign by the looks of them. When they open their mouths to speak, yes, the foreign accent is obvious, but the appearance indistinguishable.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

I never said 80 percent live in "huge cities." You don't have to live in "huge cities" anywhere in the world to be considered urban. Green Bay, Wisconsin is "urban."

There are numerous articles on the web about the decline in population in rural France, how young folks are abandoning rural areas for the cities, and how the large majority of rural French residents are older. That's why you're seeing rural areas being far more likely to have Trump supporters. But that's not typical France.

Twenty percent of the population lives in greater Paris alone.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

This. Thank you.

This, what?

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

I never said 80 percent live in "huge cities." You don't have to live in "huge cities" anywhere in the world to be considered urban. Green Bay, Wisconsin is "urban."

There are numerous articles on the web about the decline in population in rural France, how young folks are abandoning rural areas for the cities, and how the large majority of rural French residents are older. That's why you're seeing rural areas being far more likely to have Trump supporters. But that's not typical France.

Twenty percent of the population lives in greater Paris alone.

Green Bay, WI is a small city though. As PP explained to you, places in France with as little as 3,000 people are considered urban zones. In any event, I imagine the polls were taken largely in the biggest few French cities, like Paris, Marseille, Lille, Lyon and Toulouse. Those cities also have huge student populations, including international students, which will skew the statistics considerably. Trust me, plenty of middle aged, older French people in what we would consider rural areas are very pro Trump. Incredibly so. I live here.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Many of them are recent immigrants, however, and not French citizens.

Thirteen percent of French residents are foreign born. Meaning that 87 percent are not. So I guess it depends on your definition of "many."

This is such a ridiculous discussion. You're just not going to budge. Facts don't matter, polls don't matter, nothing matters to you but your "feelings" and your anecdotes. It's impossible to have a real conversation on this website.

Trump is not popular in the US, and he's less popular in France than he is here. That's the bottom line.

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Anonymous wrote:A few months ago, well before Iran, I commented on another thread that I was very embarrassed and ashamed to be an American abroad because of what's going on in our country right now, and that virtually every time I told someone I was American I could sense the disapproval -- so I made a point of immediately making my hatred for Trump clear in the same sentence ("I'm from the US and I hate Trump"). Many posters bit my head off, insisting I was imagining things. I wasn't.

As for all the posters who swear that Trump has a lot of support among Europeans, all I can say is the polls don't bear that out at all. Obviously polls aren't perfect, but they're more reliable than anecdotes.

Depends on the country PP. The polls will look far different in France and Hungary than they will in Germany or the Netherlands.

Polls in France show Trump with negative ratings of 75 percent. I wouldn't call that support. As for Hungary, who gives a shit.

m

I’m sure those polls were take in Paris and other urban areas. The vast majority of the rural areas where the actual French people live are completely different.

Typical DCUM poster. That's your anecdote and you're sticking to it.

The "vast majority" of "actual French people" are not rural. More than 80 percent of the French population lives in cities.

Urban zones in France are defined in such a way people could live somewhere Americans would perceive as a village and be considered as part of an urban zone, so this poster is not wrong though you are also correct in terms of statistics. The 80% aren't all in huge cities. For instance I have family in a tiny 3k town, but it's technically counted as "urban" because it's in the sphere of a larger city and geographically close enough to it. You have to go far out in the mountains to not be considered urban.

I never said 80 percent live in "huge cities." You don't have to live in "huge cities" anywhere in the world to be considered urban. Green Bay, Wisconsin is "urban."

There are numerous articles on the web about the decline in population in rural France, how young folks are abandoning rural areas for the cities, and how the large majority of rural French residents are older. That's why you're seeing rural areas being far more likely to have Trump supporters. But that's not typical France.

Twenty percent of the population lives in greater Paris alone.

Green Bay, WI is a small city though. As PP explained to you, places in France with as little as 3,000 people are considered urban zones. In any event, I imagine the polls were taken largely in the biggest few French cities, like Paris, Marseille, Lille, Lyon and Toulouse. Those cities also have huge student populations, including international students, which will skew the statistics considerably. Trust me, plenty of middle aged, older French people in what we would consider rural areas are very pro Trump. Incredibly so. I live here.

So the F what. The polls take these things into account. They're not student polls, they are representative polls. No one is denying that Trump has some support in France, especially among older residents worried about immigration. That's not surprising because it's the same as here. But that does NOT mean the man is popular in France. You're like talking to a brick wall.

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This is honestly a narcissistic take. Anyone reasonable knows a random tourist is not their government. That is true about Americans, Israelis, Russians, Iranians and anyone else. I’ve traveled throughout Europe, some people poke fun of Trump, some tell me they like him, no one has ever blamed me for anything because that would make no sense.