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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

Inclusion is not bad necessarily but it has gone way too far at this point.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

And the majority of SPED parents want their kids in inclusion classrooms, even when it’s not the best fit. We need some ability to move them out (without parent permission) that takes less than years of documentation.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

And the majority of SPED parents want their kids in inclusion classrooms, even when it’s not the best fit. We need some ability to move them out (without parent permission) that takes less than years of documentation.

That doesn’t exist in Virginia, where parental permission is required to change an IEP. What if I told you that Fairfax’s inclusion rate is many times less than the rest of the state? Most districts don’t even offer services in history and science, let alone self-contained settings. And they certainly don’t have the array of specialized programs (CSS, IDS) that has kids outside of the general education setting.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

And the majority of SPED parents want their kids in inclusion classrooms, even when it’s not the best fit. We need some ability to move them out (without parent permission) that takes less than years of documentation.

That doesn’t exist in Virginia, where parental permission is required to change an IEP. What if I told you that Fairfax’s inclusion rate is many times less than the rest of the state? Most districts don’t even offer services in history and science, let alone self-contained settings. And they certainly don’t have the array of specialized programs (CSS, IDS) that has kids outside of the general education setting.

My school would never revise an IEP without parent input.

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This is disheartening to hear. My sixth grader is currently in gen Ed and for a couple of their core subjects, the kids with IEPs who need extra supports are in the class. One of them is constantly interrupting my child. The teachers move this kid around to different tables because all the kids complain that they are being interrupted. And when my own child complains to the teacher, they tell my child to just try to ignore the kid. I’m sure my child does not have the full picture, but according to them, the teacher who helps these kids just gives them the answers and then they are done before everyone else. The same kid who interrupts my child all the time then comes and makes fun of them for not being finished already. Was really hoping that honors in middle school would allow my child to get away from this sort of thing. Guess not.

Hate to break it to you and your snowflake but there are kids who interrupt and disrupt in all levels of classes.

Should other kid just have to deal with it because the interrupter has an IEP? The kids who don’t have one are disciplined when they interrupt or talk out of turn.

I have a kid with an IEP who I can guarantee is better behaved than anyone in any advanced class. In addition, they can keep up with the curriculum but do need their IEP for goals specific to their learning disabilities. IEP should not automatically disqualify you from certain courses or environments.

I am very glad that FCPS is taking this direction.

No one is saying that.

Exactly. Didn’t say that at all. One of my own kids has a 504. They do not disrupt other kids’ learning. But the ones who do disrupt others seem to be allowed to do this on the name of inclusion. And the other kids are asked to just deal with it. The disruptive kids are handled with kid gloves while others without IEPs get yelled at for doing much less.

If a kid with an IEP is prone to outbursts and disruptive behavior, their inclusion comes at the expense of other children’s education.

+1 I am in TT classrooms all day, and this is exactly the case. Kids who are disruptive should be removed (not just sent to the hallway or referred to admin for a talk). Until there are consequences for the most disruptive kids, the other students’ learning will be adversely impacted. It’s a circus in some of these classrooms, with kids feeding off of each other, and it’s a revolving door of hall passes, kids who get to see their counselor for any or no reason at all, kids who need the aforementioned kid gloves, admin coming in to observe, etc. Not to mention trying to actually TEACH and move forward with the other kids. We need a complete overhaul of our education system!

Nailed it. The worst part is when administrators say, "Well, it's only a small handful of students who act like this". Great, then remove the small handful and let everyone else learn. The well behaved kids who need extra support are absolutely not getting it because we teachers are too busy handling the kids who are constantly disruptive. I wish we had cameras in the classrooms because most people truly have no idea.

This. Inclusion sucks.

I think it's FCPS that is the problem....constant circus in these schools. Not much teaching or learning going on.