What do Grads do AFTER all the accommodations?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

Tons of doctors and lawyers have ADHD. Why are you posting about this topic when you are so obviously igonorant about it?

Sure. But that is a totally different question than whether they need extra time to deal with time sensitive issues. I know that there are some niche positions that don't rely on time sensitive issues, but the vast majority need split second answers and lots of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

Tons of doctors and lawyers have ADHD. Why are you posting about this topic when you are so obviously igonorant about it?

Sure. But that is a totally different question than whether they need extra time to deal with time sensitive issues. I know that there are some niche positions that don't rely on time sensitive issues, but the vast majority need split second answers and lots of them.

And?

Obviously you are operating from a place of bigotry and ignroance.

[Anonymous]

I assume they will go into careers that don't need the accommodations.

I've had people ask for reasonable accommodations and those are often granted, but there's not a lot of overlap between reasonable accommodations and the accommodations that students get. Like I do not have to give extra time for anything, that's not reasonable. I also do not have to lower expectations or give less work when it's needed for the job (I have been asked both by employees). A screen reader is reasonable. Flexible working hours to accommodate a disability is reasonable.

[Anonymous]

it has been my experience that the accommodations my kid has are not implemented or used. Or implemented wrong. So she will be just fine in the world after public school.

[Anonymous]

Many posters fail to realize that often those with disabilities and accommodations work harder….this translates into areas of strength as well and can make them more successful overall than those who haven’t had to learn to overcome challenges in one area.

Not the same but maybe for those who struggle to understand….people often say left-handers are better problem solvers from living in a world geared toward right-handed people - they have taken a difference and turned it into a strength

[Anonymous]

My DC has had a simple calculator accommodation. Do they not allow calculators in the work places anymore?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

Hugs PP. Our DD faced similar challenges and graduated phi beta kappa. Basic accommodations for considerations for absences and tardies was essential, the latter because she sometimes passed out getting from her room to the classroom. She gladly would have exchanged places with someone with normal health and no accommodations. And yes she is now gainfully employed in an office job with - gasp - accommodations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

The ignorance in this thread is mind-boggling. These people have no idea what they don't know -- and utterly lack curiosity to learn. Like autism and ADHD are imaginary and accommodations are a fun little game.

It's like they are against the idea of human beings flourishing, just on principle. Like they prefer a world in which people struggle to survive.

The individuals I am close to with late-diagnosed ADHD and autism -- people in their 50s -- mostly struggled (intermittently) throughout their lives. They underperformed, struggled financially, struggled with addictions to gambling and alcohol and pills. Beautiful, brilliant, creative people who could not understand why they couldn't do what seemed to come easily to others. A kind, lovely, brilliant man who took thirteen years to get his BA and gave up dream after dream along the way. He struggles with depression and I worry about him.

My friend who is an artist and writer and produces phenomenal work but struggles to sell. She has been diagnosed but resists the lanugage of neurodivergence: If you ask her, she's just "broken" and "incapable."

She's survived two suicide attempts.

Idk call me crazy but I would rather people who need support receive support, and that it's better for everyone to live in a world where where fewer people struggle and more people thrive.

My own daughter receives accommodations at college for a disability you won't have heard of and that you cannot see. She has a single room. That's it. Without it she could not be at college. With it, she's at a t20 and is knocking it out of the park.

God save us from the petty, small-minded, and ignorant. Try a little generosity of spirit, and pay attention to doing better and being better and if you don't understand why so many others have accommodations -- try asking, and then listening to the answers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So there's this cohort we've discussed at length that have had testing, homework, classwork, and so many other accommodations. Clearly we've discussed whether they are legitimate or not, and it sounds like certainly the case for many, but the volume at top universities beggars belief.

Are the accommodated somehow able to hack it in working worlds? Do they up their game? Do they take what look like serious credentials down the working ladder to somewhere less prestigious/rat-race-like? Did they never really need accommodations and were just trying to maximize results, to "play the game" and beat their peers who don't seek extra time, etc.?

I just get curious about the endgame, after graduation.

As the parent of a kid who needs and gets accommodations, I can say that a) parents do worry about how our disabled kids will fare in life; but b) workplaces are required to accommodate.

But you sound like you think we're just making it up. Based on IDK, since you haven't met my kid or others. Let me ask you - why do you think this is any of YOUR business since none of this affects your kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They take the jobs best suited to their skills. There are so many jobs that don’t require testing, that have no long-term deadlines, aren’t project based, whatever. You get the accommodations to get through school, then you get a job which doesn’t need any of those kind of accommodations.

So just no positions like doctor or lawyer?

UGH. Sometimes I just want to throw something when I read nonsense like this thread.

My DC's specialist MD is one of few pediatric experts in the country in managing my child's chronic medical condition. The doctor has the same chronic condition and learning differences as my kid and advocates frequently in medicine and in education. It has been life-changing having that doctor's empathy, insight and medical support.

My kid has been admitted into highly competitive schools EA (one with full ride) and is awaiting ivy/ivy-plus results. Not sure of plans yet but I have every confidence that DC's future is very bright. DC fatigues easily and lives with daily pain, but is one of the smartest and most resilient people I have ever known. DC likely will face some struggles in college, but we're doing a lot of planning up front and DC will pivot along the way as needed.

I'm tired of trying to educate ignorant people. Either do some reading or shut up and stay in your own lane, OP.

The ignorance in this thread is mind-boggling. These people have no idea what they don't know -- and utterly lack curiosity to learn. Like autism and ADHD are imaginary and accommodations are a fun little game.

It's like they are against the idea of human beings flourishing, just on principle. Like they prefer a world in which people struggle to survive.

The individuals I am close to with late-diagnosed ADHD and autism -- people in their 50s -- mostly struggled (intermittently) throughout their lives. They underperformed, struggled financially, struggled with addictions to gambling and alcohol and pills. Beautiful, brilliant, creative people who could not understand why they couldn't do what seemed to come easily to others. A kind, lovely, brilliant man who took thirteen years to get his BA and gave up dream after dream along the way. He struggles with depression and I worry about him.

My friend who is an artist and writer and produces phenomenal work but struggles to sell. She has been diagnosed but resists the lanugage of neurodivergence: If you ask her, she's just "broken" and "incapable."

She's survived two suicide attempts.

Idk call me crazy but I would rather people who need support receive support, and that it's better for everyone to live in a world where where fewer people struggle and more people thrive.

My own daughter receives accommodations at college for a disability you won't have heard of and that you cannot see. She has a single room. That's it. Without it she could not be at college. With it, she's at a t20 and is knocking it out of the park.

God save us from the petty, small-minded, and ignorant. Try a little generosity of spirit, and pay attention to doing better and being better and if you don't understand why so many others have accommodations -- try asking, and then listening to the answers.

Thank you PP. In my experience, people who need to tear down others lack confidence in themselves and struggle with empathy and, as you noted, curiosity. The world could be so much better if people were as generous in offering their support as their criticism.

[Anonymous]

Do people not realize that the reason republicans so staunchly supported the ADA was because it promotes full employment of disabled people and thus keeps them off welfare? Accommodations are required at work too.

[Anonymous]

Dude, we all choose professions that meet our needs. If you know you need supports to be successful with X, you don't pick a job requiring constant X.

You need extended processing time, pick a job that lets you take work home to get it done by the deadline.

You struggle to work in groups? Pick a job that is work from home/independent.

Etc etc etc.

The real world is not restrictive like a classroom setting.

[Anonymous]

It is really upsetting that people who have actual disabilities are questioned a lot more because of the people who game the system. Karma

[Anonymous]

DC is on the spectrum and had accommodations from elementary school through college at a top 30 university. They allowed DC to do very well academically and in standardized testing due to accommodations such as time and a half on tests, note taking, etc.

Over time they developed coping mechanisms that allowed for less use of accommodations and now are successful in the workplace with of course no accommodations.

The accommodations allowed DC to compete on a more level playing field and to gradually develop the ability to overcome their hidden disability. Granted not everyone experiences that outcome but the outcome may never have been achieved without the accommodations.