Priest today said lusting for someone (thoughts) is just as bad as actually cheating (sex)?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

[Anonymous]

why do these posts always get derailed like this. to answer OP's question, yes, our priest talked about lust in the heart too - must have been in the big book of homilies this weekend. Made me think of Jimmy Carter too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Well, there would never be rape if somebody didn’t think of it first.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

PP is right that all sin is sin. What they dont point out is that murder and rape are the same as telling a white lie or thinking of your neighbor while masturbating.

Just think of how many "sins" you commit on a daily basis. Kind of difficult to seek forgiveness for everything yet everyone thinks they are going to heaven. 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Don't you all remember venial sin vs. mortal sin?

They love categorizing this stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

PP is right that all sin is sin. What they dont point out is that murder and rape are the same as telling a white lie or thinking of your neighbor while masturbating.

Just think of how many "sins" you commit on a daily basis. Kind of difficult to seek forgiveness for everything yet everyone thinks they are going to heaven. 🙄

I bet a lot of bad people are also atheists who don't think they're going to heaven. They know that they're just dying like everyone else. The same goes for good people who are atheists. Everyone who lives, eventually dies. Only some religious people think they're going to heaven.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

PP is right that all sin is sin. What they dont point out is that murder and rape are the same as telling a white lie or thinking of your neighbor while masturbating.

Just think of how many "sins" you commit on a daily basis. Kind of difficult to seek forgiveness for everything yet everyone thinks they are going to heaven. 🙄

I don’t think that I understand your post. The Jesus that is written about in the Bible was not sitting around and bean-counting sins. The Jesus in the Bible was not demanding that people self-flagellate over every bad thing they have ever done. People fixate on “sins” but Jesus did not fixate on sin.

Yes, we all sin a lot, some more than others, but lack of sin is not your ticket to heaven. Jesus is your ticket to heaven. And knowing Jesus, and knowing his kindness and love, is the actual motivator for being sinless and for showing love to other people. There isn’t some magic number of sins that make you non-problematic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

PP is right that all sin is sin. What they dont point out is that murder and rape are the same as telling a white lie or thinking of your neighbor while masturbating.

Just think of how many "sins" you commit on a daily basis. Kind of difficult to seek forgiveness for everything yet everyone thinks they are going to heaven. 🙄

I don’t think that I understand your post. The Jesus that is written about in the Bible was not sitting around and bean-counting sins. The Jesus in the Bible was not demanding that people self-flagellate over every bad thing they have ever done. People fixate on “sins” but Jesus did not fixate on sin.

Yes, we all sin a lot, some more than others, but lack of sin is not your ticket to heaven. Jesus is your ticket to heaven. And knowing Jesus, and knowing his kindness and love, is the actual motivator for being sinless and for showing love to other people. There isn’t some magic number of sins that make you non-problematic.

This may be your interpretation, but PP's post is how many churches preach about sin.

[Anonymous]

I'm not religious, but rebranding occasionally having a sexy thought about someone you're not married to (which literally every single married person has done) to "just as bad as actually cheating" sounds like a great way for a patriarchal institution to convince women to stay with their cheating jerks of husbands.

Just one perspective.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, but rebranding occasionally having a sexy thought about someone you're not married to (which literally every single married person has done) to "just as bad as actually cheating" sounds like a great way for a patriarchal institution to convince women to stay with their cheating jerks of husbands.

Just one perspective.

Correct. I am the PP who quoted catechisms, etc. to point out that the traditional position of the church is that some sins are much more serious than others. Christ himself spoke of "greater sin" in comparison to lesser. The posts here show just how far the culture has infected the church (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) in flattening all offenses to be the same. It is capitulation to moral relativism and it is NOT Christianity.

Yes, any sin separates a person from God. That is why we need a Savior. It does NOT mean that these sins are the same in gravity (either eternally or temporally).

To the poster who was claiming to speak for Orthodoxy: He is absolutely wrong. Orthodoxy does not teach that all sin is the same.

[Anonymous]

If true, I'd just go ahead and have a lot more sex. But it's not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not religious, but rebranding occasionally having a sexy thought about someone you're not married to (which literally every single married person has done) to "just as bad as actually cheating" sounds like a great way for a patriarchal institution to convince women to stay with their cheating jerks of husbands.

Just one perspective.

Correct. I am the PP who quoted catechisms, etc. to point out that the traditional position of the church is that some sins are much more serious than others. Christ himself spoke of "greater sin" in comparison to lesser. The posts here show just how far the culture has infected the church (Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant) in flattening all offenses to be the same. It is capitulation to moral relativism and it is NOT Christianity.

Yes, any sin separates a person from God. That is why we need a Savior. It does NOT mean that these sins are the same in gravity (either eternally or temporally).

To the poster who was claiming to speak for Orthodoxy: He is absolutely wrong. Orthodoxy does not teach that all sin is the same.

Except a passing thought is a venial sin and letting that thought grow is a mortal sin. So yes, lust is a mortal sin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:sin is sin. there are no levels of sin. all sin is bad.

This is a stupid take.

Would you rather be r*ped or have someone think dirty thoughts about you?

Actually this is the theological position of many Christian denominations. I am Orthodox and this is our position. Sin is not measured by harm done. When the Pharisees brought the woman who had committed adultery to Jesus he did not measure her sin, he told her that she is forgiven and to sin no more.

All sin separates you from God and Jesus made the ultimate sacrifice for all sinners, including murderers and rapists. That doesn’t mean murder and rape is ok, it means that there isn’t a hierarchy of sin in God’s eyes and that no matter how broken you are, God loves you. You don’t look at your kids and measure all of the bad things they have done. You want them to be better and you love them.

This is more of an evangelical teaching. Just accept Jesus as your savior and you are good to go.

In Catholicism, you have to be good to get to heaven.

[Anonymous]

Matthew 5, 17-37. It's about righteousness.