40% of American women under 45 want to permanently leave

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Anonymous wrote:All three of my kids wants to move overseas: DD, because of the threats to women’s rights and healthcare; DS1 because there are more academic opportunities in science overseas; DS2 because of the threat to free speech at the universities.

My DD are 14 is all about study abroad and never coming back. My DS age 16 wants to study abroad as well. Both have been paying attention to the news and A students. I have zero problem with their choices. When they leave I'm leaving too. DH is a white guy who was never about moving out of state but even he has become open to the idea of not being here.

This country is slowly but surely changing. It's not the country that was even a few yrs ago. While everything changes, our changes are horrifying. You all talk about pros and cons and not knowing how good we have it here with opportunities, freedoms and choices. Y'all understand all that's disappearing correct???!

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Anonymous wrote:https://news.gallup.com/poll/697382/record-numbers-younger-women-leave.aspx

40% of American women under 44 want to leave the USA

Interesting

I have lived in several European countries and in Japan and even with the prevalent misogyny of trump and his administration, the US is still better. The grass is not greener on the other side.

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One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the cost of childcare.It is much lower in European cities than in US cities. And maternity leave is also far more generous.

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40% of American women under 45 want guys that are at least six feet tall, with a six pack that make six figures and are Democrats. The problem is that those guys are all gay.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of them.

Being an immigrant is tough. I’m desperate to leave but nicer places don’t want Americans and getting a visa let alone citizenship is an uphill battle.

I don't understand why Americans want to move to, particularly Europe so badly given they pay higher taxes for public services and earn a whole lot less overall. All the high-skilled people limited by their market in Europe move to the United States to earn more than they do in the old continent.

Have you been in a coma for the last decade?

New poster here. I lived in the UK for years and also worked in Germany for a brief period, plus many work trips to offices in Germany. Europeans make substantially less than Americans, especially at professional roles. Salaries are lower. Cost of living is still pretty high, especially in cities where the good jobs are. Many aspects of QoL is lower, such as housing and material comforts. There are some things they do well, such as national health (which still come with plenty of restrictions) and vacation policies. And I do love the cities. But European economies are more moribund and career growth is more limited. You'd be surprised by how many high performing Europeans have actually moved to the US for careers. Dubai is also hugely popular due to jobs and tax free incomes.

Europe also has significant cultural and political challenges. Some economic related, others over mass migration. The latter is an enormous tension point. And, guess what, European countries have stricter abortion laws than blue America (shocker, eh?). The grass is definitely not greener on the other side of the fence and spending a week in a fancy European city center isn't a taste of real life for the typical European. I've seen a particular hysteria and that is totally clueless among young progressive American women who have no idea what life is really like outside the US.

Talk about clueless - a 50 something dude lecturing young women about their opportunities.

And BTW, you must have missed the abortion law talking point debunking. Even countries with stricter laws have broad exceptions for life and health of the mother. Women in Europe aren’t dying of sepsis and pre-eclampsia because doctors are afraid of being prosecuted for saving their patients’ lives.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the cost of childcare.It is much lower in European cities than in US cities. And maternity leave is also far more generous.

Blah blah blah. Just GO already!

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If any of you had bothered to check the methodology, you would see only 1,008 Americans were interviewed for this. ;

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Anonymous wrote:40% of American women under 45 want guys that are at least six feet tall, with a six pack that make six figures and are Democrats. The problem is that those guys are all gay.

True.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any women, even those under 40 who feel this way. We have family in Europe and have spent plenty of time there. As others have said, there are pros and cons everywhere you go, but we have a pretty good here.

"pretty good here" in what sense?

The cost of living in the US is climbing higher. We are finding it more expensive here than in the UK now. My spouse moved to the US from the UK 30 years ago, and they said it was much cheaper in the US than in the UK. Now, when we go back to the UK, we are finding it's cheaper there than here, especially the healthcare costs.

Food in Europe is better, too. They have more stringent laws around food safety; no GMO, etc.. They are less controlled by corporate greed than we are here.

The political climate here is more like a dictatorship. Rights are being eroded. Ethics being violated. It's very disturbing.

And I used to be a conservative.

Europeans don’t like Americans, they will take your tourist cash but don’t bank on them offering you a job and promote you into senior ranks.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any women, even those under 40 who feel this way. We have family in Europe and have spent plenty of time there. As others have said, there are pros and cons everywhere you go, but we have a pretty good here.

"pretty good here" in what sense?

The cost of living in the US is climbing higher. We are finding it more expensive here than in the UK now. My spouse moved to the US from the UK 30 years ago, and they said it was much cheaper in the US than in the UK. Now, when we go back to the UK, we are finding it's cheaper there than here, especially the healthcare costs.

Food in Europe is better, too. They have more stringent laws around food safety; no GMO, etc.. They are less controlled by corporate greed than we are here.

The political climate here is more like a dictatorship. Rights are being eroded. Ethics being violated. It's very disturbing.

And I used to be a conservative.

In my home country it’s legal to offer 20% less salary for woman doing the same job as a man. And I am talking about desk jobs like accounting and auditing. If you have kids forget about getting promoted to manager.

And for being immigrant with poor communication and shitty personality, I am just one rang below VP with an American company.

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Anonymous wrote:If any of you had bothered to check the methodology, you would see only 1,008 Americans were interviewed for this. ;

What would be a statistically valid sample size for this study?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t know any women, even those under 40 who feel this way. We have family in Europe and have spent plenty of time there. As others have said, there are pros and cons everywhere you go, but we have a pretty good here.

"pretty good here" in what sense?

The cost of living in the US is climbing higher. We are finding it more expensive here than in the UK now. My spouse moved to the US from the UK 30 years ago, and they said it was much cheaper in the US than in the UK. Now, when we go back to the UK, we are finding it's cheaper there than here, especially the healthcare costs.

Food in Europe is better, too. They have more stringent laws around food safety; no GMO, etc.. They are less controlled by corporate greed than we are here.

The political climate here is more like a dictatorship. Rights are being eroded. Ethics being violated. It's very disturbing.

And I used to be a conservative.

In my home country it’s legal to offer 20% less salary for woman doing the same job as a man. And I am talking about desk jobs like accounting and auditing. If you have kids forget about getting promoted to manager.

And for being immigrant with poor communication and shitty personality, I am just one rang below VP with an American company.

You don't seem like a shitty person at all.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the cost of childcare.It is much lower in European cities than in US cities. And maternity leave is also far more generous.

True, although it hasn't translated to higher birth rates. Europeans continue to believe that they are not financially able to raise a child. It may be that market simply doesn't support higher fees for childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing that hasn't been mentioned in the cost of childcare.It is much lower in European cities than in US cities. And maternity leave is also far more generous.

True, although it hasn't translated to higher birth rates. Europeans continue to believe that they are not financially able to raise a child. It may be that market simply doesn't support higher fees for childcare.

I think the affordability / size of housing is a big one people ignore. If you can only afford a 1 bedroom apartment, no way are you having 3 kids regardless of the childcare subsidy.

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Anonymous wrote:As someone who moved abroad learned a ton about other cultures and gained a new perspective on the USA - both the bad and the good - definitely just go. Stop talking about it and not doing a damn thing about it walk your talk. You can always come back. Trust me. The grass is NOT greener.

+1. Would love it if 40% of the country left. America is a
too crowded.