How does HB Woodlawn lottery work?

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Today is the deadline to enter the lottery.

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Enlarging HB to the size of the other high schools has been discussed many times over the years and it will never happen. It would simply continue to be a socio-economically segregated escape from the neighborhood schools, but much larger and thus undermining those comprehensive high schools. APS has a good balance at the moment among the neighborhood schools and options programs.

Clearly you live in N Arlington or haven't spent anytime looking at the racial and economic segregation in APS.

There is segregation and there has been for quite some time. Boundary changes have historically exacerbated the segregation, which has also been the case in FCPS and MCPS. Enlarging HB would only exacerbate existing segregation.

And the county will never seriously address it by assigning students across the county at the high school.

Not in a million years. APS also removed diversity criteria from future boundary changes. Neighborhood schools, walkability, etc., are the priorities going forward, when or if APS changes boundaries again.

As it should be. No one is stopping parents from the wealthier white neighborhoods from choose to transfer to more diverse schools. You aren't guaranteed a spot but it's likely. Instead, these parents want to force brown/black kids to be assigned to schools farther away from home, which means more time out of their day for transit and making it more difficult for lower-income parents to be active in their schools. These communities WANT to be in their neighborhood schools! They don't want to be pawns so that affluent white parents can offer their children a more "diverse" school experience.

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Students should only be allowed one lottery spot per APS career, unless spots can’t be filled otherwise.

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Enlarging HB to the size of the other high schools has been discussed many times over the years and it will never happen. It would simply continue to be a socio-economically segregated escape from the neighborhood schools, but much larger and thus undermining those comprehensive high schools. APS has a good balance at the moment among the neighborhood schools and options programs.

Clearly you live in N Arlington or haven't spent anytime looking at the racial and economic segregation in APS.

There is segregation and there has been for quite some time. Boundary changes have historically exacerbated the segregation, which has also been the case in FCPS and MCPS. Enlarging HB would only exacerbate existing segregation.

And the county will never seriously address it by assigning students across the county at the high school.

Not in a million years. APS also removed diversity criteria from future boundary changes. Neighborhood schools, walkability, etc., are the priorities going forward, when or if APS changes boundaries again.

As it should be. No one is stopping parents from the wealthier white neighborhoods from choose to transfer to more diverse schools. You aren't guaranteed a spot but it's likely. Instead, these parents want to force brown/black kids to be assigned to schools farther away from home, which means more time out of their day for transit and making it more difficult for lower-income parents to be active in their schools. These communities WANT to be in their neighborhood schools! They don't want to be pawns so that affluent white parents can offer their children a more "diverse" school experience.

This isn't who wants the diversity. The white parents who moved into the lower income neighborhoods with brown kids are the ones who want more higher income white kids (like them) and fewer of the low income brown kids. The low income brown families want to keep their closeby neighborhood schools that they can walk to. Like Randolph.

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Anonymous wrote:It always amuses me the contortions some families go through. Especially the ones who insisted their kids needed a traditional education and maneuvered to get them into ATS but come time for secondary school suddenly they need a hippy-dippy experiential approach and the HBW philosophy is for them. I've long thought attendance at ATS should be disqualifying to HBW, especially given the scarcity of spots (why should one family win the lottery twice?)

Since the 1980s parents of all political or social backgrounds have liked the small, generally socio-economically homogeneous or majority affluent aspect of H-B. That's why test scores have always been high. Before the lottery, families would camp outside of the school for days on end to not loose their spot in the queue (to gain admittance). I personally like HB but wish more of the students who could truly benefit from its unique pedagogy could gain admittance. But I don't think that means making H-B huge to get more students in. Right now APS is at a good balance with strong neighborhood secondary schools and strong option programs.

How do you even see or assess this? I’ve been trying to look at test data, but HB (as well as the other secondary option programs) are always lumped in with the big high schools, including on VDOE, and rarely is it possible to see any stand alone performance data - please link if you know of any. It seems a bit of a cop out by APS that they are not publishing any data for these programs separately. .

Obviously this is intentional to hide the inequality.

HB is a program. And same with Arlington Tech. They are not “schools” per the state definition. They are “programs”, and the students can choose to get their home high school diploma upon graduation. It’s not intentional, but it does hide the socio-economic implications of an option program that primarily appeals to affluent families.

That is a fake designation to give the ability to control the narrative.

They are in different buildings, different teachers, different PRINCIPALS. There is no more overlap between HBW with WL than WL with WHS.

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Anonymous wrote:It always amuses me the contortions some families go through. Especially the ones who insisted their kids needed a traditional education and maneuvered to get them into ATS but come time for secondary school suddenly they need a hippy-dippy experiential approach and the HBW philosophy is for them. I've long thought attendance at ATS should be disqualifying to HBW, especially given the scarcity of spots (why should one family win the lottery twice?)

Since the 1980s parents of all political or social backgrounds have liked the small, generally socio-economically homogeneous or majority affluent aspect of H-B. That's why test scores have always been high. Before the lottery, families would camp outside of the school for days on end to not loose their spot in the queue (to gain admittance). I personally like HB but wish more of the students who could truly benefit from its unique pedagogy could gain admittance. But I don't think that means making H-B huge to get more students in. Right now APS is at a good balance with strong neighborhood secondary schools and strong option programs.

How do you even see or assess this? I’ve been trying to look at test data, but HB (as well as the other secondary option programs) are always lumped in with the big high schools, including on VDOE, and rarely is it possible to see any stand alone performance data - please link if you know of any. It seems a bit of a cop out by APS that they are not publishing any data for these programs separately. .

Obviously this is intentional to hide the inequality.

HB is a program. And same with Arlington Tech. They are not “schools” per the state definition. They are “programs”, and the students can choose to get their home high school diploma upon graduation. It’s not intentional, but it does hide the socio-economic implications of an option program that primarily appeals to affluent families.

That is a fake designation to give the ability to control the narrative.

They are in different buildings, different teachers, different PRINCIPALS. There is no more overlap between HBW with WL than WL with WHS.

You are wrong about this. As usual.

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Anonymous wrote:It always amuses me the contortions some families go through. Especially the ones who insisted their kids needed a traditional education and maneuvered to get them into ATS but come time for secondary school suddenly they need a hippy-dippy experiential approach and the HBW philosophy is for them. I've long thought attendance at ATS should be disqualifying to HBW, especially given the scarcity of spots (why should one family win the lottery twice?)

Since the 1980s parents of all political or social backgrounds have liked the small, generally socio-economically homogeneous or majority affluent aspect of H-B. That's why test scores have always been high. Before the lottery, families would camp outside of the school for days on end to not loose their spot in the queue (to gain admittance). I personally like HB but wish more of the students who could truly benefit from its unique pedagogy could gain admittance. But I don't think that means making H-B huge to get more students in. Right now APS is at a good balance with strong neighborhood secondary schools and strong option programs.

How do you even see or assess this? I’ve been trying to look at test data, but HB (as well as the other secondary option programs) are always lumped in with the big high schools, including on VDOE, and rarely is it possible to see any stand alone performance data - please link if you know of any. It seems a bit of a cop out by APS that they are not publishing any data for these programs separately. .

Obviously this is intentional to hide the inequality.

HB is a program. And same with Arlington Tech. They are not “schools” per the state definition. They are “programs”, and the students can choose to get their home high school diploma upon graduation. It’s not intentional, but it does hide the socio-economic implications of an option program that primarily appeals to affluent families.

That is a fake designation to give the ability to control the narrative.

They are in different buildings, different teachers, different PRINCIPALS. There is no more overlap between HBW with WL than WL with WHS.

You are wrong about this. As usual.

How am I wrong? What is the overlap between HBW and WL? Are you going to say they can play on the SPORTS team? What a joke, that has nothing to do with the academic experience.

But I notice your reply just made a claim and had no actual argument. As usual.

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Anonymous wrote:You do know your number. Atop
Pushing lies. Just because your kid didn’t get in doesn’t mean it’s rigged. Very maga!

Stop making things political. How do I find my number, and so it shows up on the ball on the video live when I watch the lottery?

Why do you want this? What difference would it make?

You are claiming that we do know out number. i signed up for lottery. So if I watch it st Syphax, will I see it maybe come up?

What difference would it make to you if they tell you your number before or after the draw?

Are you gaslighting me or just being naïve? If you only find out your number after the draw, it's possible for winning numbers to be assigned to friends, family, or other favored individuals.

So you cant know your lottery number until after they have been drawn; thats clear now.

I’m sure its all above board then.

Not to mention, who is going to keep track if suddenly there are 15 kids who were attending that werent announced in the lottery?

[Anonymous]

This crap again? Your obsession with HB is really disturbing

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Anonymous wrote:This crap again? Your obsession with HB is really disturbing

Someone claimed that you know your lottery number before the draw; I asked how do I look that up? Do you have an answer?

[Anonymous]

Let's move on from the troll. Good luck to everyone applying!

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Anonymous wrote:Let's move on from the troll. Good luck to everyone applying!

So you admit the PP was lying that the lottery was transparent? If you don' t know your number, its suspect.

I'm actually not mad at HB per se; we go to WL, I just wish they had added 600 HS seats to HBW (still smaller than HBW and the planned middle school site that was suggested there), and WL could have remained a sane sized high school.

But yeah, call me a troll for simply asking how to find my lottery numbers, and all you boosters suddenly realize you can't and PP lied.

[Anonymous]

This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

I was simply responding to a PP who said its easy to know your lottery number. Then they vanished. No one can answer, so its clearly a pretend lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wildly paranoid.

We are in lottery for first time this year. Know it’s a very long shot, fingers crossed though. I wish there were more choices for middle school and more programs like HB available.

Best of luck to all

I was simply responding to a PP who said its easy to know your lottery number. Then they vanished. No one can answer, so its clearly a pretend lottery.

Ok.