Has anyone been unhappy with Gonzaga?

[Anonymous]

For many years, the homeless around the school were used by students to purchase beer and liquor.
IYKYK

[Anonymous]

It’s very tough socially if you’re not coming from one of the K-8 Catholics. I know several boys from public schools and non- Catholic private schools who left because they couldn’t find their place.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The neighborhood around the school isn’t great

But great for service opportunities.

This.This. This.

Ms. Murphy's social justice class changed my son. He experienced sadness and a broken system but arrived at the end with humility, more humble and a desire to make a difference as an adult in the large world in front of him. He walked the streets of DC to feed the homeless and assisted in the homeless shelter (in the basement of St. Als). How many boys get to witness daily this level of kindness from a community? I know this all starts in the home but young men can be deterred by so many factors but Gonzaga leveled up.

Who’s an example of why people don’t like Gonzaga. They’re homeless people everywhere not just in DC.

They are homeless shelters literally everywhere.

Every school has service.

You can see from this post how they think it’s “different“ for them, and it’s not.

Disagree. How many schools have a homeless shelter and food pantry on the premise?
I have daughters at two different schools. The level of service IMO is different.

SHS does, and some of the kids go on to Gonzaga.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neighborhood around the school isn’t great

But great for service opportunities.

This.This. This.

Ms. Murphy's social justice class changed my son. He experienced sadness and a broken system but arrived at the end with humility, more humble and a desire to make a difference as an adult in the large world in front of him. He walked the streets of DC to feed the homeless and assisted in the homeless shelter (in the basement of St. Als). How many boys get to witness daily this level of kindness from a community? I know this all starts in the home but young men can be deterred by so many factors but Gonzaga leveled up.

Who’s an example of why people don’t like Gonzaga. They’re homeless people everywhere not just in DC.

They are homeless shelters literally everywhere.

Every school has service.

You can see from this post how they think it’s “different“ for them, and it’s not.

This constant back patting is one of my pet peeves about GZ. I think it’s great that they do outreach to the homeless but they think they are special for doing so. They seem to be doing it more for their image than to truly help people in need.

As a previous poster said, many schools also help at homeless shelters and soup kitchens, and do outreach to those in need. Also, it is easy to help the homeless and then turn around at the end of the day and go back to your mansion in Virginia where you can wash your hands of it all. Some GZ families are so busy bragging about helping the homeless that they forget that many kids live in neighborhoods where they interact with homeless people and the issues that go with it every day. For some kids, experiencing the “grit” of the city is not a mere novelty, but it is life.

I am happy that GZ emphasizes service and having a shelter onsite, but they need to humble themselves a bit. There is more to DC than just Eye Street.

I don’t have a kid at GZ but I live in the city and somewhat near GZ by H St. NE

You just cannot compare the homeless and poor in that whole area by GZ to just any isolated homeless shelter other schools might visit. There is a huge difference of a blighted and poor neighborhood to just some isolated shelter. The school is actually in this community and living it and serving it everyday. It’s not like the kids are going to a homeless shelter once a month.

If you don’t understand what I am saying then you are in your bubble and have not lived or been around much of the homeless community.

GZ doesn’t just talk the talk once a month or few times a year. They walk the walk and it is their reality daily because they are physically in it.

I applaud them and they are doing a lot more than what outsiders believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neighborhood around the school isn’t great

But great for service opportunities.

This.This. This.

Ms. Murphy's social justice class changed my son. He experienced sadness and a broken system but arrived at the end with humility, more humble and a desire to make a difference as an adult in the large world in front of him. He walked the streets of DC to feed the homeless and assisted in the homeless shelter (in the basement of St. Als). How many boys get to witness daily this level of kindness from a community? I know this all starts in the home but young men can be deterred by so many factors but Gonzaga leveled up.

Who’s an example of why people don’t like Gonzaga. They’re homeless people everywhere not just in DC.

They are homeless shelters literally everywhere.

Every school has service.

You can see from this post how they think it’s “different“ for them, and it’s not.

This constant back patting is one of my pet peeves about GZ. I think it’s great that they do outreach to the homeless but they think they are special for doing so. They seem to be doing it more for their image than to truly help people in need.

As a previous poster said, many schools also help at homeless shelters and soup kitchens, and do outreach to those in need. Also, it is easy to help the homeless and then turn around at the end of the day and go back to your mansion in Virginia where you can wash your hands of it all. Some GZ families are so busy bragging about helping the homeless that they forget that many kids live in neighborhoods where they interact with homeless people and the issues that go with it every day. For some kids, experiencing the “grit” of the city is not a mere novelty, but it is life.

I am happy that GZ emphasizes service and having a shelter onsite, but they need to humble themselves a bit. There is more to DC than just Eye Street.

I don’t have a kid at GZ but I live in the city and somewhat near GZ by H St. NE

You just cannot compare the homeless and poor in that whole area by GZ to just any isolated homeless shelter other schools might visit. There is a huge difference of a blighted and poor neighborhood to just some isolated shelter. The school is actually in this community and living it and serving it everyday. It’s not like the kids are going to a homeless shelter once a month.

If you don’t understand what I am saying then you are in your bubble and have not lived or been around much of the homeless community.

GZ doesn’t just talk the talk once a month or few times a year. They walk the walk and it is their reality daily because they are physically in it.

I applaud them and they are doing a lot more than what outsiders believe.

I'm not a GZ booster, but agree. Although it's a great school, there are plenty of legitimate critiques of Gonzaga, which is what the OP was looking for, but their dedication to service is not one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s very tough socially if you’re not coming from one of the K-8 Catholics. I know several boys from public schools and non- Catholic private schools who left because they couldn’t find their place.

Disagree here. The class is 250 boys and it is very easy to find your people vs. other smaller private schools.

My son came out of MCPS middle school. Not really very athletic, but played sports and eventually found his people in the drama club. It is a very robust community.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A friend’s son goes there and I have heard some negative things about the “cult” like atmosphere at GZ. Most parents are “all in” and actively shower the school with nothing but praise and love. A sense of superiority is cultivated in students from day one. Some spin this as creating a strong brotherhood, but for others it is a bit much. There are parents who want a strong Catholic education for their sons but who don’t want to drink the kool aid. I’ve also heard about horrible sportsmanship shown by some of GZ’s teams, which is not embraced by all parents.

I can definitely attest to the poor sportsmanship in lacrosse - certain kids on the current team, especially the 2027's, routinely talk to opponents like garbage. It happens enough that you can assume the coaches and parents think it is fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The neighborhood around the school isn’t great

But great for service opportunities.

This.This. This.

Ms. Murphy's social justice class changed my son. He experienced sadness and a broken system but arrived at the end with humility, more humble and a desire to make a difference as an adult in the large world in front of him. He walked the streets of DC to feed the homeless and assisted in the homeless shelter (in the basement of St. Als). How many boys get to witness daily this level of kindness from a community? I know this all starts in the home but young men can be deterred by so many factors but Gonzaga leveled up.

Who’s an example of why people don’t like Gonzaga. They’re homeless people everywhere not just in DC.

They are homeless shelters literally everywhere.

Every school has service.

You can see from this post how they think it’s “different“ for them, and it’s not.

This constant back patting is one of my pet peeves about GZ. I think it’s great that they do outreach to the homeless but they think they are special for doing so. They seem to be doing it more for their image than to truly help people in need.

As a previous poster said, many schools also help at homeless shelters and soup kitchens, and do outreach to those in need. Also, it is easy to help the homeless and then turn around at the end of the day and go back to your mansion in Virginia where you can wash your hands of it all. Some GZ families are so busy bragging about helping the homeless that they forget that many kids live in neighborhoods where they interact with homeless people and the issues that go with it every day. For some kids, experiencing the “grit” of the city is not a mere novelty, but it is life.

I am happy that GZ emphasizes service and having a shelter onsite, but they need to humble themselves a bit. There is more to DC than just Eye Street.

I don’t have a kid at GZ but I live in the city and somewhat near GZ by H St. NE

You just cannot compare the homeless and poor in that whole area by GZ to just any isolated homeless shelter other schools might visit. There is a huge difference of a blighted and poor neighborhood to just some isolated shelter. The school is actually in this community and living it and serving it everyday. It’s not like the kids are going to a homeless shelter once a month.

If you don’t understand what I am saying then you are in your bubble and have not lived or been around much of the homeless community.

GZ doesn’t just talk the talk once a month or few times a year. They walk the walk and it is their reality daily because they are physically in it.

I applaud them and they are doing a lot more than what outsiders believe.

I'm not a GZ booster, but agree. Although it's a great school, there are plenty of legitimate critiques of Gonzaga, which is what the OP was looking for, but their dedication to service is not one of them.

that's not the critique though, it's that they think they do more. They don't all the schools are dedicated to service. It's no different.

Please you think the homeless are in shelters in the rest of the country... for example you think Wheaton triangle doesn't have homeless on every corner.

GZ oh boy.

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Anonymous wrote:Gonzaga boys can’t host parties at their houses in Vienna and Arlington so they try to storm other school’s parties in Bethesda and DC.

Why?

My son was friends with boys all over the DMV and went to parties in Arlingotn, Bethesda, DC and Chevy Chase. I'm not understanding this comment.

Do you know why all the schools in the WCAC have girls in the stands but Gonzaga doesn’t?

People are being absolutely ridiculous. My daughter attends St. John’s and they also have a student section and it’s just for students. The only students at Gonzaga are boys, hence the student section has only boys. It’s not that deep.

DS graduated from Gonzaga and had a great experience. There are issues, but not unlike any other school. They generally handle things well when behavior is an outlier. Most of the students and boosters are great people (again, much like other WCAC schools).

Both schools did emphasize turning down the rhetoric this year. As I’ve told DC, what a great opportunity to be part of a 152 year rivalry, it makes things more interesting, but it is only a game.

Nah, the HCross, HChild, etc girls are in and welcome at the St. John's stands.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The commute sucks. Everything else makes it worthwhile.

Gonzaga parents treat the Metro commute like Navy SEAL training:

“It builds resilience!”
(Translation: We can’t carpool because we all hate each other.)

Every October, someone posts asking if it’s safe.

Every October, someone from Ward 5 responds, “It’s fine.”

Every October, someone in Potomac replies, “I heard there are a lot of people there.”

and the whole there is a food kitchen in the building is so overblown.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:School spirit at Gonzaga is 100x more than any other school. Eagles fly high! It is a special place.

Yes, it is! It's an amazing school and my son thrived there. The traditions, academics and athletic programs make it special.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The commute sucks. Everything else makes it worthwhile.

Gonzaga parents treat the Metro commute like Navy SEAL training:

“It builds resilience!”
(Translation: We can’t carpool because we all hate each other.)

Every October, someone posts asking if it’s safe.

Every October, someone from Ward 5 responds, “It’s fine.”

Every October, someone in Potomac replies, “I heard there are a lot of people there.”

and the whole there is a food kitchen in the building is so overblown.

I really don’t think it is overblown. However, I do understand why it rubs some people the wrong way when Gonzaga brings it up as if it invented public service.

Gonzaga is a school with a mission worth taking seriously. Men for Others isn’t just a motto. In its best form, it’s a powerful call to shape boys into thoughtful, selfless young men. You see that mission everywhere: in the language, in the traditions, and in the pride students, families and alumni feel. The passion in some of the responses here is proof of how deeply that identity matters to the community.

But, and this is just my opinion, with constant messaging comes an inherent tension. When a value is so publicly and aggressively promoted, it can drift into performance, especially when it’s contrasted with an external reputation for entitlement or arrogance. Humility is harder to cultivate when there’s always a spotlight ready to turn a well-intentioned act into something to brag about. Gonzaga’s culture is strong and spirited, which is a good thing, but it can sometimes blur the line between living a virtue and displaying it.

There is real, deserved confidence at Gonzaga, rooted in history, location, academics, and athletic success. Some might say that confidence can border on sanctimony. And it’s easy for any institution with deep roots and a strong identity to assume that moral authority comes with the territory. But moments that define character rarely happen where banners hang, or even in the on-campus service programs that inevitably make their way into admissions materials, or onto DCUM posts.

The true test is what happens in the stands at the football game. On the field at the lacrosse game. Walking down North Capitol. In the shops at Union Station. On the Metro ride home. At the party in Bethesda.
Those are the spaces where values either hold or quietly fall away.

To Gonzaga’s credit, many, if not most, students, parents, and alumni take the mission seriously and strive to live it. The school has a strong, supportive community, a deep alumni network, and an environment that gives boys a real sense of belonging and purpose. Those are significant strengths. None of this is about denying them. It is really a remarkable and special place.

The challenge, and it’s a meaningful one, is making sure the values so publicly promoted, including here on DCUM, are practiced just as consistently in the everyday, unseen moments (and/or even during the extremely, publicly seen moments). Being a “Man for Others” isn’t conditional. It isn’t “today, yes, but maybe not tomorrow.”

The question isn’t whether Gonzaga holds those values. I genuinely believe it does. The question is whether the school can help its boys live them most fully in the quiet moments where no one is looking (well, someone is always looking…AMDG, right?) and when it matters most?

On that front, I think honest reflection would show what’s true at every school: it’s a mixed bag. Gonzaga does a lot right, but it's not perfect. And like every place that educates teenagers, especially teenage boys, it has room to improve.

[Anonymous]

I would say needing to have the student body work on humility, arrogance, and entitlement is a problem. I wish other G parents would see this as well and make a concerted effort to fix this issue. But unfortunately in my experience that awareness from parents is rare, so my hats to you, PP.

You can generally tell if a Gonzaga parent has drank the kool aid if they have the following on their post: “Eagles Fly High”, “God is Purple”, or seem to think AMDG is only for Gonzaga (!) and not the motto of the Jesuits (and therefore used at every Jesuit grade school, high school, and university).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The commute sucks. Everything else makes it worthwhile.

Gonzaga parents treat the Metro commute like Navy SEAL training:

“It builds resilience!”
(Translation: We can’t carpool because we all hate each other.)

Every October, someone posts asking if it’s safe.

Every October, someone from Ward 5 responds, “It’s fine.”

Every October, someone in Potomac replies, “I heard there are a lot of people there.”

and the whole there is a food kitchen in the building is so overblown.

I really don’t think it is overblown. However, I do understand why it rubs some people the wrong way when Gonzaga brings it up as if it invented public service.

Gonzaga is a school with a mission worth taking seriously. Men for Others isn’t just a motto. In its best form, it’s a powerful call to shape boys into thoughtful, selfless young men. You see that mission everywhere: in the language, in the traditions, and in the pride students, families and alumni feel. The passion in some of the responses here is proof of how deeply that identity matters to the community.

But, and this is just my opinion, with constant messaging comes an inherent tension. When a value is so publicly and aggressively promoted, it can drift into performance, especially when it’s contrasted with an external reputation for entitlement or arrogance. Humility is harder to cultivate when there’s always a spotlight ready to turn a well-intentioned act into something to brag about. Gonzaga’s culture is strong and spirited, which is a good thing, but it can sometimes blur the line between living a virtue and displaying it.

There is real, deserved confidence at Gonzaga, rooted in history, location, academics, and athletic success. Some might say that confidence can border on sanctimony. And it’s easy for any institution with deep roots and a strong identity to assume that moral authority comes with the territory. But moments that define character rarely happen where banners hang, or even in the on-campus service programs that inevitably make their way into admissions materials, or onto DCUM posts.

The true test is what happens in the stands at the football game. On the field at the lacrosse game. Walking down North Capitol. In the shops at Union Station. On the Metro ride home. At the party in Bethesda.
Those are the spaces where values either hold or quietly fall away.

To Gonzaga’s credit, many, if not most, students, parents, and alumni take the mission seriously and strive to live it. The school has a strong, supportive community, a deep alumni network, and an environment that gives boys a real sense of belonging and purpose. Those are significant strengths. None of this is about denying them. It is really a remarkable and special place.

The challenge, and it’s a meaningful one, is making sure the values so publicly promoted, including here on DCUM, are practiced just as consistently in the everyday, unseen moments (and/or even during the extremely, publicly seen moments). Being a “Man for Others” isn’t conditional. It isn’t “today, yes, but maybe not tomorrow.”

The question isn’t whether Gonzaga holds those values. I genuinely believe it does. The question is whether the school can help its boys live them most fully in the quiet moments where no one is looking (well, someone is always looking…AMDG, right?) and when it matters most?

On that front, I think honest reflection would show what’s true at every school: it’s a mixed bag. Gonzaga does a lot right, but it's not perfect. And like every place that educates teenagers, especially teenage boys, it has room to improve.

My family has been going to Gonzaga since the early 1900s. Your post is exactly what’s wrong with Gonzaga.

Anybody living the Gonzaga motto is not posting this.

Gonzaga is great people love it. Awesome enjoy. But it’s no different than any other school other people love.

You need to step back a little bit and try to live what is taught by the Jesuits. It’s not borderline on your post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The commute sucks. Everything else makes it worthwhile.

Gonzaga parents treat the Metro commute like Navy SEAL training:

“It builds resilience!”
(Translation: We can’t carpool because we all hate each other.)

Every October, someone posts asking if it’s safe.

Every October, someone from Ward 5 responds, “It’s fine.”

Every October, someone in Potomac replies, “I heard there are a lot of people there.”

and the whole there is a food kitchen in the building is so overblown.

I really don’t think it is overblown. However, I do understand why it rubs some people the wrong way when Gonzaga brings it up as if it invented public service.

Gonzaga is a school with a mission worth taking seriously. Men for Others isn’t just a motto. In its best form, it’s a powerful call to shape boys into thoughtful, selfless young men. You see that mission everywhere: in the language, in the traditions, and in the pride students, families and alumni feel. The passion in some of the responses here is proof of how deeply that identity matters to the community.

But, and this is just my opinion, with constant messaging comes an inherent tension. When a value is so publicly and aggressively promoted, it can drift into performance, especially when it’s contrasted with an external reputation for entitlement or arrogance. Humility is harder to cultivate when there’s always a spotlight ready to turn a well-intentioned act into something to brag about. Gonzaga’s culture is strong and spirited, which is a good thing, but it can sometimes blur the line between living a virtue and displaying it.

There is real, deserved confidence at Gonzaga, rooted in history, location, academics, and athletic success. Some might say that confidence can border on sanctimony. And it’s easy for any institution with deep roots and a strong identity to assume that moral authority comes with the territory. But moments that define character rarely happen where banners hang, or even in the on-campus service programs that inevitably make their way into admissions materials, or onto DCUM posts.

The true test is what happens in the stands at the football game. On the field at the lacrosse game. Walking down North Capitol. In the shops at Union Station. On the Metro ride home. At the party in Bethesda.
Those are the spaces where values either hold or quietly fall away.

To Gonzaga’s credit, many, if not most, students, parents, and alumni take the mission seriously and strive to live it. The school has a strong, supportive community, a deep alumni network, and an environment that gives boys a real sense of belonging and purpose. Those are significant strengths. None of this is about denying them. It is really a remarkable and special place.

The challenge, and it’s a meaningful one, is making sure the values so publicly promoted, including here on DCUM, are practiced just as consistently in the everyday, unseen moments (and/or even during the extremely, publicly seen moments). Being a “Man for Others” isn’t conditional. It isn’t “today, yes, but maybe not tomorrow.”

The question isn’t whether Gonzaga holds those values. I genuinely believe it does. The question is whether the school can help its boys live them most fully in the quiet moments where no one is looking (well, someone is always looking…AMDG, right?) and when it matters most?

On that front, I think honest reflection would show what’s true at every school: it’s a mixed bag. Gonzaga does a lot right, but it's not perfect. And like every place that educates teenagers, especially teenage boys, it has room to improve.

My family has been going to Gonzaga since the early 1900s. Your post is exactly what’s wrong with Gonzaga.

Anybody living the Gonzaga motto is not posting this.

Gonzaga is great people love it. Awesome enjoy. But it’s no different than any other school other people love.

You need to step back a little bit and try to live what is taught by the Jesuits. It’s not borderline on your post.

Okay, thanks for your input.