Air traffic controllers and flight delays/cancelllations

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Anonymous wrote:The military doesn’t do the same amount of traffic. You cannot drop a military ATC in a tower at Reagan and call it a day.

Conservative fantasies about the all powerful military kill me.

Literally what Prez Reagan did in the 80s

What was the air traffic in the 80s compared to today, Einstein?

What was the VOLUME of air traffic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think a bit of training is required! It's not like picking up litter in DC.

The military has air traffic controllers for their bases and ships.

So have massive national security holes because there is no one in the military to deal with military aircraft because they have to do civil aviation work? Incredibly stupid and risky. Just leave American skies and land undefended.

How about just funding the govt in the first place? It is supposed to be the basic job of the govt.

Sorry, I hope millions of Americans start to suffer and there is massive paralysis of air traffic . Need to go to a wedding ? Too bad. Need to go to funeral? Too bad. Need to see a parent before they die? Too bad. Need to get home for the holidays? Too bad. Americans need to suffer. It's the only way this country ever learns.

The country elected stupid so give it to them.

There are 14,000 civilians ATC and 5,000 ATC in the US Military. Seems like it would work to seem. What could go wrong?

I think the military could handle it. Not all ATC are absent from work.

“a conservative estimate places the number around 10,000 to 12,000 active duty personnel across all branches: the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard”

https://thegunzone.com/how-many-air-traffic-controllers-are-there-in-the-military/

“There are over 9,062 air traffic controllers currently employed in the United States”

https://www.zippia.com/air-traffic-controller-jobs/demographics/

From the article you posted “ This figure encompasses both enlisted and officer positions, as well as those in training pipelines and various support roles directly related to air traffic management.”
So you want an 18 year-old that is training to repair radios for air traffic control? That’s what I did when I was enlisted. I was in a support role directly related to air traffic control. Believe me, I would have no idea how to manage air traffic around any airport.

It’s a “conservative” estimate and I guess you are saying the military has poor training? Pretty sure they would send capable ATCs.

Wow, your reading comprehension is pretty poor. Of the 10,000 to 12,000 estimated, the vast majority are not air traffic controllers. The majority of them are in support roles. Those support roles are not trained in Air traffic control because Air traffic control is not their job. They do things like operate and maintain the radios and radars and computer systems.
Those that are performing ATC duties are required for military aircraft at military air stations and aircraft carriers. They are not just sitting around waiting for something to do.

[Anonymous]

This is nothing more than politics. Government will be open by next week averting any significant air traffic delays around Thanksgiving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is nothing more than politics. Government will be open by next week averting any significant air traffic delays around Thanksgiving.

Maybe. We’re now in the longest shutdown in history and the party in charge can only say the same BS every single day for 40 days now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is nothing more than politics. Government will be open by next week averting any significant air traffic delays around Thanksgiving.

Maybe. We’re now in the longest shutdown in history and the party in charge can only say the same BS every single day for 40 days now.

No Member of Congress wants to go home for Thanksgiving without funding air traffic control or restoring SNAP benefits. That's political suicide.

[Anonymous]

Once again, MAGA keeps showing how little they actually know about the military.

They like to dress up and play military on the weekend, but everything they know about it, they learned from Hollywood.

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https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4xohatypg2z

Sean Duffy: "As we come into Thanksgiving, if we're still in a shutdown posture, it's gonna be rough out there. Really rough."

I guess they are owning it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is nothing more than politics. Government will be open by next week averting any significant air traffic delays around Thanksgiving.

Maybe. We’re now in the longest shutdown in history and the party in charge can only say the same BS every single day for 40 days now.

No Member of Congress wants to go home for Thanksgiving without funding air traffic control or restoring SNAP benefits. That's political suicide.

Opposing the Don is also life threatening, ask Pence.

[Anonymous]

I think all private planes should be banned during the reductoon of airline traffic. Except AF1/2 all other government employees should fly commercial

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The military doesn’t do the same amount of traffic. You cannot drop a military ATC in a tower at Reagan and call it a day.

Conservative fantasies about the all powerful military kill me.

Its not like this stuff hasn't been discussed and debated every time there is a shutdown and the GOP always comes up with "but the military" -

I am OP. Promise you I am not a conservative or a Republican. I believe our military is quite capable at handling these jobs. It’s also a better alternative than sending them to cities.

And if no to sending military to airports, how about sending them to NationalParks and keeping them open? Pretty sure they can clean restrooms and are pretty good at search and rescue.

FYI - also sure the military could do TSA duties since there is also a shortage with those agents.

We don’t have “extra” military. They are needed to do their military jobs. Pull them away from their military duties, and you’re sacrificing a prepared military.

And it would be insulting for them to do TSA’s job.

So our military is not essential? Nor ATCs? What’s wrong with this picture?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The military doesn’t do the same amount of traffic. You cannot drop a military ATC in a tower at Reagan and call it a day.

Conservative fantasies about the all powerful military kill me.

Its not like this stuff hasn't been discussed and debated every time there is a shutdown and the GOP always comes up with "but the military" -

I am OP. Promise you I am not a conservative or a Republican. I believe our military is quite capable at handling these jobs. It’s also a better alternative than sending them to cities.

And if no to sending military to airports, how about sending them to NationalParks and keeping them open? Pretty sure they can clean restrooms and are pretty good at search and rescue.

FYI - also sure the military could do TSA duties since there is also a shortage with those agents.

We don’t have “extra” military. They are needed to do their military jobs. Pull them away from their military duties, and you’re sacrificing a prepared military.

And it would be insulting for them to do TSA’s job.

So our military is not essential? Nor ATCs? What’s wrong with this picture?

Are you acting dumb on purpose?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think all private planes should be banned during the reductoon of airline traffic. Except AF1/2 all other government employees should fly commercial

Rank and file government employees aren't traveling anywhere because they are furloughed.

Prediction: Any and all current "political" appointees at any level/position will begin commandeering military aircraft to use as private air transport for their boondoggles. They will claim the military is required to transport them because their jobs are so important they cannot risk being stranded somewhere by commercial flights.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The military doesn’t do the same amount of traffic. You cannot drop a military ATC in a tower at Reagan and call it a day.

Conservative fantasies about the all powerful military kill me.

Literally what Prez Reagan did in the 80s

Ha, you clowns have zero clue and it shows.

In 1981, U.S. air traffic was roughly one-third of what it is today. You forgot that even Reagan had to cut the number of flights by 50% to keep the system manageable.

The number of controlled flights, use of hub-and-spoke systems, and reliance on global air traffic management (including international data exchange and satellite-based procedures) have exploded. Modern ATC involves NextGen systems, data links, complex routing, and real-time coordination between hundreds of centers , not just radar and voice comms.

Even if military controllers could step in, they’d be overwhelmed by the sheer volume and procedural complexity unless traffic was slashed again, likely by 60–70% or more, which would cause massive headaches.

Civil ATC uses FAA systems (like ERAM, STARS, and NextGen tools) that military controllers are not trained on. Lmao.

Military ATC operates with different procedures, radar systems, and terminology that is optimized for tactical aircraft, not airline flows or IFR route management.

The integration between FAA and DOD has improved, but interoperability is still limited. A large-scale handoff would require days or weeks of retraining and system familiarization.

Military ATCs could handle operations at joint-use or military airports, but not the whole civil National Airspace System (NAS) seamlessly.

The U.S. Air Force and Navy now have far fewer controllers than in 1981.Post–Cold War downsizing and automation reduced those ranks. Many of today’s military controllers are already heavily tasked with global operations and deployments.


Civil ATC employs about 14,000+ FAA controllers; the DOD pool is maybe a few thousand at most not enough to cover it all.

FAA manages not just route clearances but slot control, flow management, and coordination with airlines, TSA, CBP, and international partners. Those interfaces are highly automated and bureaucratic; military controllers would have limited access or familiarity with those systems. The “national system” would break into semi-isolated segments, and delays would cascade quickly.

The National Airspace System now has many more layers of safety oversight and international commitments (ICAO, IATA, etc.). Replacing certified FAA controllers with unqualified military personnel, even temporarily, would raise liability and safety concerns that didn’t have the same scrutiny in 1981.


Pulling a Reagan won't work anymore unless you want severely reduced travel.

Your claim of 14,000 ATCS appears to incorrect so you obviously don’t know what you are talking about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The military doesn’t do the same amount of traffic. You cannot drop a military ATC in a tower at Reagan and call it a day.

Conservative fantasies about the all powerful military kill me.

Its not like this stuff hasn't been discussed and debated every time there is a shutdown and the GOP always comes up with "but the military" -

I am OP. Promise you I am not a conservative or a Republican. I believe our military is quite capable at handling these jobs. It’s also a better alternative than sending them to cities.

And if no to sending military to airports, how about sending them to NationalParks and keeping them open? Pretty sure they can clean restrooms and are pretty good at search and rescue.

FYI - also sure the military could do TSA duties since there is also a shortage with those agents.

You have zero respect for the amount of training our military do, and for skills and knowledge they have.

Pretty sure I am the only one here who respects their ability to perform the necessary jobs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3m4xohatypg2z

Sean Duffy: "As we come into Thanksgiving, if we're still in a shutdown posture, it's gonna be rough out there. Really rough."

I guess they are owning it.

They love it. They 100% get off on making people suffer.

Their biggest dream is to destroy our government, so watching this is like porn for them.