Choosing Middlebury over Williams

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

Middlebury has ~2550 undergraduates. The IPEDS number has been widely discussed. A quirk in the reporting requirements causes Middlebury to count their summer language school students which makes the school look much larger than it actually is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Choosing Midd over Williams would be like choosing Dartmouth over Princeton, or Brown over Yale. Not the common choice, but not one that will result in a lesser education.

Except many people have never heard of Middlebury and, among the people who have, many couldn't even say which state it was located in.

I think name recognition of Middlebury and Williams is similar. More similar than Brown vs. Yale.

Nobody outside of the east coast wealthy have ever heard of either Middlebury or Williams. You’re living in an echo chamber.

You might want to get out a bit more. They are pretty well known among the Sand Hill Road and Stanford communities. I know multiple 8 and 9 figure families in this community with kids at Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Williams. I know kids from other families at other to SLACs as well.

Nobody knows what sand hill road is either. That’s not helping your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why would it be crazy? If you’re into prestige, applying to a lac is borderline stupid.

Your comment is stupid, not even borderline, just stupid.

Outside of the Ivy league (which is an athletic conference) and a few other top schools name recognition is mainly driven by athletics and TV visibility. Contrary to the assertion of an earlier poster most of the country could not differentiate between Penn and Penn State. They also don't know anything about CMU, JHU, Rice, Georgetown, etc. But they can probably tell you a lot about Alabama football. This board is a bubble where people argue about things which do not concern most people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

IPEDS reports 2,800 undergraduates for Middlebury:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/TER9c0CLKu8YLIELP

[Anonymous]

Don't engage the trolls. Let's move on to a new topic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Choosing Midd over Williams would be like choosing Dartmouth over Princeton, or Brown over Yale. Not the common choice, but not one that will result in a lesser education.

Except many people have never heard of Middlebury and, among the people who have, many couldn't even say which state it was located in.

I think name recognition of Middlebury and Williams is similar. More similar than Brown vs. Yale.

Nobody outside of the east coast wealthy have ever heard of either Middlebury or Williams. You’re living in an echo chamber.

You might want to get out a bit more. They are pretty well known among the Sand Hill Road and Stanford communities. I know multiple 8 and 9 figure families in this community with kids at Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Williams. I know kids from other families at other to SLACs as well.

Nobody knows what sand hill road is either. That’s not helping your point.

Actually you proved my point. Those who matter know and those who don't know don't matter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why would it be crazy? If you’re into prestige, applying to a lac is borderline stupid.

Your comment is stupid, not even borderline, just stupid.

Outside of the Ivy league (which is an athletic conference) and a few other top schools name recognition is mainly driven by athletics and TV visibility. Contrary to the assertion of an earlier poster most of the country could not differentiate between Penn and Penn State. They also don't know anything about CMU, JHU, Rice, Georgetown, etc. But they can probably tell you a lot about Alabama football. This board is a bubble where people argue about things which do not concern most people.

I don't disagree. I'm not sure what you think we are fighting about.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

IPEDS reports 2,800 undergraduates for Middlebury:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/TER9c0CLKu8YLIELP

They must have corrected their error. In August, College Navigator listed Middlebury's undergrad population as 4,137. Forbes used this IPEDS number for their ranking, which hasn't been updated on their website yet:
https://www.forbes.com/colleges/middlebury-college/

This was debated on CC, where you'll find screenshots of the IPEDS errors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

IPEDS reports 2,800 undergraduates for Middlebury:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/TER9c0CLKu8YLIELP

They must have corrected their error. In August, College Navigator listed Middlebury's undergrad population as 4,137. Forbes used this IPEDS number for their ranking, which hasn't been updated on their website yet:
https://www.forbes.com/colleges/middlebury-college/

It's getting better but still incorrect.

https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/institution-profile/230959#enrollment

It really shows how inaccurate much of this data is.

This was debated on CC, where you'll find screenshots of the IPEDS errors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

IPEDS reports 2,800 undergraduates for Middlebury:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/TER9c0CLKu8YLIELP

They must have corrected their error. In August, College Navigator listed Middlebury's undergrad population as 4,137. Forbes used this IPEDS number for their ranking, which hasn't been updated on their website yet:
https://www.forbes.com/colleges/middlebury-college/

This was debated on CC, where you'll find screenshots of the IPEDS errors.

https://www.middlebury.edu/about/quick-facts

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an aspect to consider, Middlebury reported 0 first majors in classics in a recent year based on IPEDS information:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/SV2dOpyc5pFzkGlcg

IPEDS also reports that Middlebury has 4,000+ undergrads.

According to Middlebury's Office of Institutional Research, there were 10 classics majors and 3 classical studies majors in fall 2024.

IPEDS reports 2,800 undergraduates for Middlebury:

College Navigator - Middlebury College https://share.google/TER9c0CLKu8YLIELP

They must have corrected their error. In August, College Navigator listed Middlebury's undergrad population as 4,137. Forbes used this IPEDS number for their ranking, which hasn't been updated on their website yet:
https://www.forbes.com/colleges/middlebury-college/

This was debated on CC, where you'll find screenshots of the IPEDS errors.

https://www.middlebury.edu/about/quick-facts

Middlebury's reported undergraduate enrollment of "about 2,800" comports with that currently reported by IPEDS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Choosing Midd over Williams would be like choosing Dartmouth over Princeton, or Brown over Yale. Not the common choice, but not one that will result in a lesser education.

Except many people have never heard of Middlebury and, among the people who have, many couldn't even say which state it was located in.

I think name recognition of Middlebury and Williams is similar. More similar than Brown vs. Yale.

Nobody outside of the east coast wealthy have ever heard of either Middlebury or Williams. You’re living in an echo chamber.

You might want to get out a bit more. They are pretty well known among the Sand Hill Road and Stanford communities. I know multiple 8 and 9 figure families in this community with kids at Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Williams. I know kids from other families at other to SLACs as well.

Nobody knows what sand hill road is either. That’s not helping your point.

Different poster but Sand Hill Road is not an obscure reference, it is the epicenter of Venture Capital

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Choosing Midd over Williams would be like choosing Dartmouth over Princeton, or Brown over Yale. Not the common choice, but not one that will result in a lesser education.

Except many people have never heard of Middlebury and, among the people who have, many couldn't even say which state it was located in.

I think name recognition of Middlebury and Williams is similar. More similar than Brown vs. Yale.

Nobody outside of the east coast wealthy have ever heard of either Middlebury or Williams. You’re living in an echo chamber.

You might want to get out a bit more. They are pretty well known among the Sand Hill Road and Stanford communities. I know multiple 8 and 9 figure families in this community with kids at Bowdoin, Middlebury, and Williams. I know kids from other families at other to SLACs as well.

Nobody knows what sand hill road is either. That’s not helping your point.

Different poster but Sand Hill Road is not an obscure reference, it is the epicenter of Venture Capital

+1

[Anonymous]

The Institutional Research page shows a fall 2025 on-campus enrollment figure of 2,624.

https://www.middlebury.edu/assessment-institutional-research/institutional-data/middlebury-college

[Anonymous]

As a Williams grad, I can tell from relatively recent experience, that legacy status has essentially no impact, except possible for an ED application, and even then, very little effect. I loved my time at Williams (and have a friend who was a Classics major), but as many others have said, you probably can't go wrong with either choice, if you can get in.