SWAMP or WAS-B?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:wake up my friend - Williams and Amherst are constantly being touted as the HYP of SLACs and the JV team of Middlebury and Bowdoin think they can play with the big boys - give me $20k of merit from Bucknell and I would take it over Middlebury or Bowdoin every day of the week!

Thank you for demonstrating why you would never be offer admission to any to those schools....including Bucknell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My assessment of Bowdoin from our visit, was that it lacks the intellectualism and rigor that you find at LACS such as Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, Carleton, Harvey Mudd. Whoever started WASP-B--I'm not buying it.

Bowdoin is a step above other non-WASP schools, including Wellesley (the decline of which will only accelerate with the diminishing popularity of all-female schools). It deserves to be in the acronym (and WASP-B pre-dated the latest silly US News rankings).

Some alumnae are organizing DC fundraisers for Jocelyn Benson (Wellesley ‘99) and her Michigan gubernatorial campaign. The W network here is strong, showing up, and excited for her. Definitely a sign of decline.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

This is an ignorant comment; ludicrous even. Why not go to a thread pertaining to a topic you know something about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My assessment of Bowdoin from our visit, was that it lacks the intellectualism and rigor that you find at LACS such as Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Pomona, Wellesley, Carleton, Harvey Mudd. Whoever started WASP-B--I'm not buying it.

Bowdoin is a step above other non-WASP schools, including Wellesley (the decline of which will only accelerate with the diminishing popularity of all-female schools). It deserves to be in the acronym (and WASP-B pre-dated the latest silly US News rankings).

Some alumnae are organizing DC fundraisers for Jocelyn Benson (Wellesley ‘99) and her Michigan gubernatorial campaign. The W network here is strong, showing up, and excited for her. Definitely a sign of decline.

I guess women’s colleges are thriving then. My mistake.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

This is an ignorant comment; ludicrous even. Why not go to a thread pertaining to a topic you know something about?

You didn’t make a claim. I don’t know what you want me to respond to.

Notice how I’m not obsessed with calling you wrong or ignorant?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

Uh, no. Williams professors are hardly unknown, far from it. Williams art history grads can write their ticket for grad school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

This is an ignorant comment; ludicrous even. Why not go to a thread pertaining to a topic you know something about?

You didn’t make a claim. I don’t know what you want me to respond to.

Notice how I’m not obsessed with calling you wrong or ignorant?

I don’t want you to respond. You are clueless and will remain so. I get that. Just don’t flout your ignorance in public; certain people will think less of you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

This is an ignorant comment; ludicrous even. Why not go to a thread pertaining to a topic you know something about?

You didn’t make a claim. I don’t know what you want me to respond to.

Notice how I’m not obsessed with calling you wrong or ignorant?

I don’t want you to respond. You are clueless and will remain so. I get that. Just don’t flout your ignorance in public; certain people will think less of you.

This is a startling presentation of arrogance, ignorance, and difficulty with engaging with ideas that aren’t your own. They’ve been much more patient than necessary for your tantrums

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

Uh, no. Williams professors are hardly unknown, far from it. Williams art history grads can write their ticket for grad school.

More so than faculty at UT, UCLA, and Berkeley? Completely wrong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How are you arriving at the conclusion that Bowdoin is a step above? Teaching--it's ranked #5. Study abroad--nothing outstanding that i know of. Facilities--food and dorms--I agree are very good.

It's not a step above or down from Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore.

These are all virtually the same school in this day and age. Same student body, same outcomes, similar financial resources, similar experiences, etc.

In fact, Bowdoin has by far the largest yield of the bunch- or any of the top 10 LACs for that matter. Even accounting for ED rates.

People have been piling on Pomona a lot lately, but it has strong yield too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

Uh, no. Williams professors are hardly unknown, far from it. Williams art history grads can write their ticket for grad school.

More so than faculty at UT, UCLA, and Berkeley? Completely wrong.

Same caliber, but massive difference in the quality of UG instruction. Does not compare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: No reason going to a top liberal arts college and paying $90k/year to study art history; you'd frankly have more resources and access to professors at a state school.

Ever heard of the Williams art mafia? If you want to study art history you'd be very well positioned and resourced at Williams. It's the only graduate program offered there. And which state school offers more access to profs than the Williams tutorials?

You have more much access to art history courses, archives, and internship opportunities at any decent state school. You aren’t special getting 1 on 1 with an unknown professor at Williams over a known researcher in the field who likely curates and consults at a state university.

Uh, no. Williams professors are hardly unknown, far from it. Williams art history grads can write their ticket for grad school.

More so than faculty at UT, UCLA, and Berkeley? Completely wrong.

Same caliber, but massive difference in the quality of UG instruction. Does not compare.

In what way? State schools don’t have massive art history seminar courses. We aren’t talking about cs here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:much in the same way the williams and amherst boosters luv to compare their schools against HYP in a failed effort to make them seem like pseudo peers, the Bowdoin Pomona and Middlebury boosters luv to punch up and ridiculously compare themselves to A & W. It’s the DCUM striver culture at its best (or worst), always wanting to make their situation seem better..

These are both weird comparisons. No William person is comparing themselves to Princeton, because they're different schools, and it isn't unreasonable to compare top lacs to Williams and Amherst, because they're all objectively peers of one another:
Williams College list of peers |

Amherst College (Amherst, MA)
Bowdoin College (Brunswick, ME)
Carleton College (Northfield, MN)
Dartmouth College (Hanover, NH)
Grinnell College (Grinnell, IA)
Haverford College (Haverford, PA)
Middlebury College (Middlebury, VT)
Pomona College (Claremont, CA)
Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA)
Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT)

Source: https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/dfr/2023/ReportHTML.aspx?unitId=168342

Amherst College list of Peers |

Bates College (Lewiston, ME)
Bowdoin College (Brunswick, ME)
Bryn Mawr College (Bryn Mawr, PA)
Carleton College (Northfield, MN)
Claflin University (Orangeburg, SC)
Concordia College at Moorhead (Moorhead, MN)
Connecticut College (New London, CT)
Davidson College (Davidson, NC)
Dickinson College (Carlisle, PA)
Drew University (Madison, NJ)
Eckerd College (Saint Petersburg, FL)
Emmanuel College (Boston, MA)
Franklin and Marshall College (Lancaster, PA)
Gustavus Adolphus College (Saint Peter, MN)
Hamilton College (Clinton, NY)
Kenyon College (Gambier, OH)
Luther College (Decorah, IA)
Occidental College (Los Angeles, CA)
Pomona College (Claremont, CA)
Rhodes College (Memphis, TN)
Roanoke College (Salem, VA)
Saint Anselm College (Manchester, NH)
Saint Norbert College (De Pere, WI)
St Lawrence University (Canton, NY)
The College of Wooster (Wooster, OH)
The University of the South (Sewanee, TN)
Trinity College (Hartford, CT)
Union College (Schenectady, NY)
University of Puget Sound (Tacoma, WA)
Washington and Lee University (Lexington, VA)
Williams College (Williamstown, MA)
Wofford College (Spartanburg, SC)

Source: https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/dfr/2023/ReportHTML.aspx?unitId=164465

Pomona College list of peers|

Amherst College (Amherst, MA)
Carleton College (Northfield, MN)
Oberlin College (Oberlin, OH)
Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA)
Trinity College (Hartford, CT)
Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT)
Williams College (Williamstown, MA)

Source: https://nces.ed.gov/ipeds/dfr/2023/ReportHTML.aspx?unitId=121345

These are all according to the schools themselves

It's worth noting that Amherst did not select those peers. IPEDS selected those colleges because Amherst didn't respond to the question.

Bowdoin selected these peers:
Amherst College (Amherst, MA)
Bates College (Lewiston, ME)
Brown University (Providence, RI)
Carleton College (Northfield, MN)
Claremont McKenna College (Claremont, CA)
Colby College (Waterville, ME)
Colgate University (Hamilton, NY)
Dartmouth College (Hanover, NH)
Davidson College (Davidson, NC)
Grinnell College (Grinnell, IA)
Hamilton College (Clinton, NY)
Harvey Mudd College (Claremont, CA)
Haverford College (Haverford, PA)
Middlebury College (Middlebury, VT)
Pomona College (Claremont, CA)
Smith College (Northampton, MA)
Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA)
Tufts University (Medford, MA)
Vassar College (Poughkeepsie, NY)
Washington and Lee University (Lexington, VA)
Wellesley College (Wellesley, MA)
Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT)
Williams College (Williamstown, MA)

Middlebury selected these peers:
Amherst College (Amherst, MA)
Bates College (Lewiston, ME)
Bowdoin College (Brunswick, ME)
Bryn Mawr College (Bryn Mawr, PA)
Carleton College (Northfield, MN)
Colby College (Waterville, ME)
Connecticut College (New London, CT)
Hamilton College (Clinton, NY)
Haverford College (Haverford, PA)
Mount Holyoke College (South Hadley, MA)
Oberlin College (Oberlin, OH)
Pomona College (Claremont, CA)
Smith College (Northampton, MA)
Swarthmore College (Swarthmore, PA)
Trinity College (Hartford, CT)
Vassar College (Poughkeepsie, NY)
Washington and Lee University (Lexington, VA)
Wellesley College (Wellesley, MA)
Wesleyan University (Middletown, CT)
Williams College (Williamstown, MA)

You can tell who is truly elite and who wants to prestige chase. Williams and Pomona select very few peers, while these other colleges call everyone their peers.

Pomona = Trinity College. Interesting choice.