Why can't universities have a flat tuition where everyone pays the same?
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Anonymous
They are applying for research grants. It isn't an open fund to subsidize the private schools. They are competititve grants open to research institutions in the academic, public and private sector. Where do you get the idea that these schools are simply "getting" federal money to subsiize their programs? |
Anonymous
A good number of the admitted, domestic applicants with higher income parents are offered admission only because of the amount they can pay. |
Anonymous
They are competitive bid programs with strict requirements that take years to write, vet and then execute. The research side of the universities have nothing to do with what might be happening miles away on the main campus. |
Anonymous
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College tuition has no transparency.
There's the insanely high "sticker price" that is very hard for all but the 1% to afford. But then colleges tout a reasonable net cost, like $25k, as what most people really pay. Which makes them look less like societal bad guys. But a lot of regular upper-middle class families in expensive regions like DC who make around $300k find out they don't qualify for aid -- but can't afford $100k a year (thanks to the usual life stuff like their own student loans, medical bills, caring for aging parents, etc, although folks here like to say its too much avocado toast) But then they're told to apply anyway because they might get merit aid. And then things turn into comparing offers from what seems like used cars salesmen. Last year schools like Syracuse were throwing merit awards at families as late as the summer. This is maddening and stressful. And has many of these families are left wondering why they grind away in stressful jobs when they still can't afford private college at the end of their (very long) day. |
Anonymous
And that is fine. If the government doesn't have interest in finding cures and treatments for health conditions that impact its citizenry, that is a choice. Of course, we ALL benefit from that research, but I suppose it is better to let the Chinese and Europeans do this research and reap the economic benefits. Make other countries great, right? |
Anonymous
Which one of those research universities charges flat tuition and doesn't offer need based financial need? I'm not aware of any. |
Anonymous
No more than the military deciding to buy a tank or a clinic buying bandages. You sound like one of those people who sneer at public employees that you pay their salaries are you? Have a seat. The only way you can affect how your tax dollars are spent is at the voting booth. You don’t have any say in how tax dollars are used once appropriated. |
Anonymous
No one is entitled to a seat at any of these schools. |
Anonymous
Fancy boarding schools have significant populations on significant financial aid. Deerfield is like 60% on significant aid...Exeter and Andover as well. All the fancy boarding schools have decided they see value to FA kids. The most elite country clubs also provide free memberships to certain people though it's of course far more transactional. They will give a senator or Mayor or chief of police free membership because the other members want to know these people and hopefully gain from those connections. |
Anonymous
“Entitled”? I’m not sure you understand how taxes and applying for research grants work, so let me repeat something that a PP has already tried to point out. Taxpayer money may support specific students— who receive specific grants.Taxpayer money may also support specific projects — which apply for and compete for specific grants. Many important scientific breakthroughs as well as training for professionals that many of us would view as critical — like physicians, other medical professionals, scientists, and the like — have benefitted from tax dollars, and then go on to benefit the public in multiple ways. Which of these “huge benefit(s) from the taxpayers (sic) money” are you willing to give up PP? Hint: If you’ve ever benefited in any way from any type of medical care — like, EVER — then you’ve benefited directly from someone’s tax dollars being used to support the public good. What exactly do you think tax dollars should be used for? Even if you choose, say, the military, you might want to look at the scientific and technological advances, as well as the health and training of the troops — that have benefited in multiple ways from taxpayer dollars that went to universities that then supported these advances. No, these advances aren’t solely limited to private colleges, but look at public colleges and government agencies and count the leadership and the research that one way or another can be traced back to at least one private college. Are you SURE that you want to give that up PP? What alternative models are you proposing? |
Anonymous
Governmnet can exclude any institution that doesn't meet its standared. For example, it can eliminate schools discriminating based on race in admission or don't protect Jews. Private college supporters insisted that the schools can do whatever they want since it's private and don't receive any tax money not too long ago. It turned out the tax money they receive is very very important, hance they obliged. Taxpayers elect the government. Power to the taxpayers. |
Anonymous
In fact, it's part of the reasons why Trump was elected of course. |
Anonymous
It doesn't need to go to specific private schools that don't meet government standards. Trump was elected for reasons by taxpayers. |
Anonymous
So you're defending discriminatory pricing, lack of transparency and used car salesmen-style wheeling and dealing? |
Anonymous
I can tell that you carefully read this post before cutting and pasting your comment. Lol Troll better PP. You can do it! |