If your dc is an athlete (potential recruit) - how are you/dc navigating the sport versus academics?

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Anonymous wrote:Unless your kid is going to play in the NBA, NFL, MLB, etc. academics>>>>>>>>>>>>>sports

Wow what a thoughtful comment that I’d never considered. Just wow

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Anonymous wrote:Encourage your kid to think about whether he would be happy not contributing much to a D1 team, versus being an impact player on a D3.

This used to be a very good point, some kids are just happy to be on the team and being a practice player at a major D1 is great. Others really want to play. This question is moot now for P4 schools but it is still possible outside of there.

What do you mean "the question is moot".

Roster limits and scholarship changes mean that practice players are now in the dustbin of history for these programs.

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Anonymous wrote:We’re in the thick of the academic D3 recruiting process for baseball. We’ve made it clear to DS that academics come first, and he has been on board with that. He’s not really a D1 prospect, so ivies and patriot league schools are on the back burner for consideration only if the baseball thing does not work out.

Aha, lucky you! How does your dc feel about it?

That seems to be the typical path I see on here. Athletics to academic d3. Unfortunately or fortunately (bc dc has found his passion, which I can’t dismiss), my dc isn’t particularly interesting in the d3 schools that like him because their teams are just ok. His semi ‘dream’ schools are two state schools where he could likely get in academically but his recruiting chances aren’t great (keeping him on the back burner for now). He would likely have to try to walk on.

Dc will not do this sport professionally but he wants to push himself to the limits in the time he has left, and I have to respect that.

If he’s not going to be recruited, you should encourage him to apply to more academic schools as well as his dream schools. In the end, it’s best that he ends up in a place where’s he’s happy—he may have a different mindset about that when the recruiting process is over and he’s starting to apply to schools.

I’m going to insist that he applies to both, but the problem is that the d3 recruiting schools will likely cut him off if he’s not expressing interest. Do you happen to know how this works for your sport?

He’s been asked to submit materials for pre reads at most of these schools and he’s been slow to respond. One place came back and said his submission looked good, they’d like to see him on the team, and they asked him to apply ED which he doesn’t want to do…

He shouldn’t apply ED if he doesn’t want to attend that school—nor should he be bothering to submit pre-read materials if he’s not interested in possibly playing on that team. He can apply to schools like everyone else who isn’t being recruited if he’s not going to be a recruit.

That’s rather black and white, no? And a fundamental misreading of the issues. I think your tone sounds weird so I’m going to stop engaging with you unless you would like to share actual experiences your dc had, as the op requests.

Fwiw. He’s already a recruit at these d3. He’s not necessarily a recruit at all of the d1 that he’s interested in. They have him on the back burner. That’s the issue. And no, he wouldn’t apply ED if he wasn’t certain obviously.

My point is that, if he’s not going to accept D3 recruitment offers and does not get a D1 offer from a school that interests him, he won’t be a recruit. He can apply widely like any other student. My DS has two D3 offers and is unsure how he feels about the schools. If he doesn’t take the offers, he won’t be applying anywhere as a recruit. If you get an offer, you are expected to apply ED if it’s offered at that school.

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Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

This does not happen nearly as often as people on this site believe. It might happen in track and some sports with larger rosters but not for most sports.

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Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

This is less likely to happen now that roster limits are in place. The ncaa settlement has really changed up recruiting, so much advice is stale. Without the sport I can’t provide good advice (parent of 3 D1 athletes in different sports)

What do you think about d2 schools?

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Anonymous wrote:struggling a bit with DD as she is a runner with an offer of support from tippy top D3 but wants to see if ivy+ doors open after fall cross country. She has made tremendous improvement but won’t be evident and provide a recruitable lift until later in season, long past when these things are usually done. The D3 school will want to wrap things up by mid September with offers of support, so timing may not work for us - it really is like game theory to a large extent

I know a track kid (not CC) who didn’t get placed until mid spring. Track is very black and white as you know. It’s a gamble

Lots of kids apply to top academic D1s without coach support and then later are able to walk on to the teams when they get in, but don’t they have their offers of coach support nailed down by early fall?

This does not happen nearly as often as people on this site believe. It might happen in track and some sports with larger rosters but not for most sports.

What doesn’t happen?

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Anonymous wrote:Many Ivy recruits have high GPAs in normal, college prep courses. The academic index doesn't take rigor into account, but they do take test scores.

cross country kids do tend to skew higher on the AI than for example wrestlers - know a ton of ivy wrestlers from my days as a coach - let’s just say there are no phd candidates in that population

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Anonymous wrote:Encourage your kid to think about whether he would be happy not contributing much to a D1 team, versus being an impact player on a D3.

This used to be a very good point, some kids are just happy to be on the team and being a practice player at a major D1 is great. Others really want to play. This question is moot now for P4 schools but it is still possible outside of there.

What do you mean "the question is moot".

Roster limits and scholarship changes mean that practice players are now in the dustbin of history for these programs.

Lolz do you always talk like a douche?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

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Anonymous wrote:sorry I know there are baseball comments and not trying to hijack but for x-country and track-but most distance spots at ivy+ are wrapped up by now but always kids who matured late and explode onto the scene senior fall - if you go to the new balance or nike nationals in november there are always top academic coaches on the prowl for uncommitted kids - happens every year and less orderly than you would expect! There are some very experienced and savvy coaches at ivy georgetown duke stanford etc etc who will gladly find space for a late developing blue chip runner. More difficult now with roster limits - SEC schools are only carrying 7 runners on men’s x country!!

Actually it was mostly one male poster who hijacked for baseball. And another parent who seemed nice and normal about her dc and baseball

I’ve seen this too. Yes, a lot is wrapped up by fall but I’ve also seen some very interesting late moves.

I thought that OPs kid plays baseball. Am I mistaken?

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

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My daughter was recruited by several lower level D1 teams and a bunch of D3 programs. Initially she was focused on the D1 programs. But the more she talked with them, the more it became clear that while they would be happy to have her, she wasn’t going to get significant scholarship money. While she was going to be a star of most of the D3 programs she talked to. Also we had a lot of talks about what happens in four years because her sport doesn’t go pro.

She is going to a D3 school where she applied regular decision but with a coach “recommendation”.

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Anonymous wrote:Encourage your kid to think about whether he would be happy not contributing much to a D1 team, versus being an impact player on a D3.

This used to be a very good point, some kids are just happy to be on the team and being a practice player at a major D1 is great. Others really want to play. This question is moot now for P4 schools but it is still possible outside of there.

What do you mean "the question is moot".

Roster limits and scholarship changes mean that practice players are now in the dustbin of history for these programs.

Lolz do you always talk like a douche?

Nothing wrong with her statement. With roster limits now in place there isn't room for practice players anymore at P4 schools. The club teams at these schools are getting stronger because of roster limits as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

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Anonymous wrote:Just to throw this out there, but in dcs experience there are lots of d2 out there and they express a lot of interest and offer $. I know a dc who ended up at a d2 and is playing his heart it and loving it. These schools are not known as top academic schools obviously but I assume there are some decent ones.

D2 is the near wasteland of college sports with weak academics and relatively weak sports. There are a few CSU schools which are exceptions but in general it is weak on both vectors. NAIA is the true wasteland though.

Funny I don’t think this dc is unhappy. Was very happy to play and now going to grad school

That's great!, I'm glad things worked for her but if yo know that environment then you fully understand that it is not a fit for your typical high academic athlete, especially one who is good enough to play in the UAA or NESCAC.

Oh so everyone a typical high academic athlete? I didn’t know that.