Great schools ratings

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

what exactly do you define as the best education? And how do you know a school that is highly rated is actually the best education for your kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Public schools systems have to re-draw their boundary maps every so often. It happens in large systems. Somebody will have to move.

Some pyramids are “better” because they have wealthier families. The lower rated schools have more low income students. It is that simple.

We’re in a low ranked district, and my kids do well because we support them with outside help when needed, and they don’t have to work during the school year, just like families in the top ranked schools.

How do low income students perform in wealthier schools? Are their scores any better because they attend a top school? Does anybody here have that info? Is it the school or is it the family support that influence the student’s success?

I think the one question a lot of parents forget to ask themselves is “is my child happy?” Are they thriving? It’s so much more than academics. The social piece, feeling part of a community, feeling nurtured and supported is just as important, maybe more than academics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Public schools systems have to re-draw their boundary maps every so often. It happens in large systems. Somebody will have to move.

Some pyramids are “better” because they have wealthier families. The lower rated schools have more low income students. It is that simple.

We’re in a low ranked district, and my kids do well because we support them with outside help when needed, and they don’t have to work during the school year, just like families in the top ranked schools.

How do low income students perform in wealthier schools? Are their scores any better because they attend a top school? Does anybody here have that info? Is it the school or is it the family support that influence the student’s success?

The Timber Lane families who want to stay at McLean rather than get moved to Falls Church (it’s a Title I school) pointed to statistics showing that the low-income kids at Longfellow/McLean performed better on standardized tests than the low-income kids at Jackson/Falls Church.

Excellent news. This tells us it is time to move more ESOL low income kids to those 8+ rated schools.

Maybe you have a specific scenario in mind. The challenge is that the higher-rated schools tend to have more kids and fewer spare seats.

In the case of McLean, you'd have to engage in some overt gerrymandering to get more ESOL/FARMS kids into a crowded school that hasn't been expanded, when the nearby school with more ESOL/FARMS kids (Falls Church) is getting an expansion to 2500 seats that will leave it with hundreds of available seats.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

Is it the school, or the family wealth that get those kids into top 20 schools?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

Is it the school, or the family wealth that get those kids into top 20 schools?

Some schools provide more opportunities to demonstrate excellence than others.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

I think you need to pay way more attention. You can look at all the high schools that a lot of folks on this site look down on. Admissions to William and Mary, University of Virginia, Virginia Tech, Boston College, UCLA, Villanova to name a few.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

Is it the school, or the family wealth that get those kids into top 20 schools?

The competition from the top high schools is stiffer for admittance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

But you have to ask yourself - why aren't the FCPS schools more alike? Why can't my child get the same education at Lewis that they can get at West Springfield?

Just because they are close?. But that’s a naive question. Not that close. It’s the difference in houses near them, and who lives in them and what the houses cost, how much the parents living in them earn which seems to have a co-relation to how much invested they are in their kids becoming big earners and hence supplementing education at home. We all know except for a few genius kids, in most cases it’s the parents’ time and money investments that leads to higher academic achievement.

And as much as these parents like to tout their higher rank schools, when it comes to college admissions, they’re all pretty much the same.

Pretty much the same when it comes to getting into JMU? Perhaps.

The top FCPS high schools send a lot more kids to T20 schools, as illustrated by some of the Instagram pages.

You are sooo wrong. One word - quotas.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

I mean, if you viewed the score more as a range of +/- 1, the list is fairly close to how most honest people would rank the schools.

These track pretty well with ESL %. Certainly the top and bottom. Remember what the root cause is that is driving many people to avoid certain schools (even if they refuse to admit it). And driving the extreme fear of boundary changes.

Good point to keep in mind that the root cause is wanting your child to get the best education possible. Sometimes people pretend like there is something sinister afoot, but that’s really the first principle.

what exactly do you define as the best education? And how do you know a school that is highly rated is actually the best education for your kid?

Seems like a personal decision to me. I trust most parents to choose their pyramid based on the needs of their child. I’d never pretend to know what’s best for your child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here are the current as of 8/7 GS ratings of FCPS high schools:

TJ 10
Langley 9
McLean 9
West Springfield 9
Woodson 9
Chantilly 8
Lake Braddock 8
Madison 8
Oakton 8
South County 7
Marshall 7
Robinson 7
Westfield 6
Fairfax 6
Hayfield 6
South Lakes 6
West Potomac 5
Centreville 5
Edison 4
Lewis 4
Annandale 3
Herndon 3
Falls Church 2
Justice 2
Mount Vernon 2

Come back in a few months and the scores will vary widely because they tweaked their methodology again. The best way to keep getting attention is to change the ratings periodically.

The rating they gave Justice HS isn’t fair! The fact of the matter is Justice provides an outstanding eduction at a great school with a rich and vibrant student culture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great school rating are valuable. But look at test scores inside the information

They are valuable in only a crude sense for low-information types.

This snarky post makes little sense. This is nothing methodologically wrong with using Great Schools as a starting point, and thereafter to dig deeper as to what is behind their numbers. Moreover, reflecting my experience as a very poor kid who went on to the top schools in the nation, a crucial litmus test is whether a school can take kids without means who are serious students and provide them with a rigorous education. It was the absolute key to my social mobility, and I credit my teachers, including my elementary school instructors, for really pushing me ahead. My peers were a factor, but i chose my friends carefully too. These attributes aren’t easy to discern, but looking at Great Schools as a starting doesn’t make for a low information person. Read everything critically and get your kids to own their education as much as they can themselves without parental hovering.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great school rating are valuable. But look at test scores inside the information

They are valuable in only a crude sense for low-information types.

This snarky post makes little sense. This is nothing methodologically wrong with using Great Schools as a starting point, and thereafter to dig deeper as to what is behind their numbers. Moreover, reflecting my experience as a very poor kid who went on to the top schools in the nation, a crucial litmus test is whether a school can take kids without means who are serious students and provide them with a rigorous education. It was the absolute key to my social mobility, and I credit my teachers, including my elementary school instructors, for really pushing me ahead. My peers were a factor, but i chose my friends carefully too. These attributes aren’t easy to discern, but looking at Great Schools as a starting doesn’t make for a low information person. Read everything critically and get your kids to own their education as much as they can themselves without parental hovering.

You can give yourself a cookie but GS scores are still low-information data points.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Great school rating are valuable. But look at test scores inside the information

They are valuable in only a crude sense for low-information types.

This snarky post makes little sense. This is nothing methodologically wrong with using Great Schools as a starting point, and thereafter to dig deeper as to what is behind their numbers. Moreover, reflecting my experience as a very poor kid who went on to the top schools in the nation, a crucial litmus test is whether a school can take kids without means who are serious students and provide them with a rigorous education. It was the absolute key to my social mobility, and I credit my teachers, including my elementary school instructors, for really pushing me ahead. My peers were a factor, but i chose my friends carefully too. These attributes aren’t easy to discern, but looking at Great Schools as a starting doesn’t make for a low information person. Read everything critically and get your kids to own their education as much as they can themselves without parental hovering.

You can give yourself a cookie but GS scores are still low-information data points.

Dp. What high information data points are you using?