When you can’t get into an Ivy +

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because we are rich.

I know you’re trying to be cool, but just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. The second tier schools, private, and not, are just not as good as the top state flagships. So you’re throwing your money away. Maybe you have the money to throw, but that doesn’t make it smart.

I also drive a Mercedes, which is not “smart”. Sometimes it’s about quality of life. My kids wanted to go to those schools so we’ll pay for it because we can more than afford it. YOLO.

Well at least you admit you’re not smart. And obviously neither are your kids judging from where they ended up at college. No doubt you threw money away on private high school as well. What a waste all of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because we are rich.

I know you’re trying to be cool, but just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. The second tier schools, private, and not, are just not as good as the top state flagships. So you’re throwing your money away. Maybe you have the money to throw, but that doesn’t make it smart.

Your opinion. My kid is on a highly competitive finance track after a private mid ranked to low ranked college.

I mean, ok, but that doesn’t sound like a great life to me. Or at least not a well lived one.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Well, people that have instate Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and UT-Austin as options are in a wonderful place. And I suspect very few of those families can be persuaded to drop an additional $250,000 for undergrad at a different school.

But that's five schools out of 5000 colleges. There are a bazillion reasons why people choose something different than the state flagship. And for middle class families, the elite private schools are often cheaper than state flagships. Plus major strength, programs, vibe, network, opportunities, sports, location, community, weather, and on and on.

True. I always joke with my wife that we should have had to foresight to move to one of the Top Public's states years ago in preparation for my DS applying to schools.

That's actually a big reason we chose Virginia over Maryland or DC 25 years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Some state schools are not that amazing, especially if they are not the right fit academically or socially, and some aren't even that cheap! You can go to an out of state public, or a private somewhere, for cheaper. And a better fit.

My kid got into UVA but didn’t like it one bit. He wasn’t crazy about Williamsburg either. As a non-STEM who didn’t want a large school- VT (my alma mater) was a no starter. We let him apply anywhere and then had the surprise that he actually got into 2 Ivies and some T10s. After visiting and exploring each school even more, the fit and location and resources in his field made one a clear winner, a very expensive winner, but he’s already had so many benefits and it’s only been 1 year.

We do see the attention that each student gets, the smaller class sizes, the leadership and ease with which everything is handled, etc. Very different from public.

Although, I wouldn’t pay for a private or out of state unless there were very clear advantages—-or if the kid wasn’t serious about academics.

Lol this entire thread is about what a student does if they don’t get into one of these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because you can’t just choose where you’ll go to school. My DC didn’t get into UVA, but got into a higher ranked flagship in another state.

Kids with ivy level stats get rejected from the most competitive state flagships all the time.

There’s nothing wrong with University of Michigan!

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Anonymous wrote:Some state schools are not that amazing, especially if they are not the right fit academically or socially, and some aren't even that cheap! You can go to an out of state public, or a private somewhere, for cheaper. And a better fit.

My kid got into UVA but didn’t like it one bit. He wasn’t crazy about Williamsburg either. As a non-STEM who didn’t want a large school- VT (my alma mater) was a no starter. We let him apply anywhere and then had the surprise that he actually got into 2 Ivies and some T10s. After visiting and exploring each school even more, the fit and location and resources in his field made one a clear winner, a very expensive winner, but he’s already had so many benefits and it’s only been 1 year.

We do see the attention that each student gets, the smaller class sizes, the leadership and ease with which everything is handled, etc. Very different from public.

Although, I wouldn’t pay for a private or out of state unless there were very clear advantages—-or if the kid wasn’t serious about academics.

You’re on the wrong thread unless you’re saying that your kid turned down those Ivies and “T10s” to go somewhere lower ranked. Is that what you’re saying?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because we are rich.

I know you’re trying to be cool, but just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. The second tier schools, private, and not, are just not as good as the top state flagships. So you’re throwing your money away. Maybe you have the money to throw, but that doesn’t make it smart.

I also drive a Mercedes, which is not “smart”. Sometimes it’s about quality of life. My kids wanted to go to those schools so we’ll pay for it because we can more than afford it. YOLO.

Well at least you admit you’re not smart. And obviously neither are your kids judging from where they ended up at college. No doubt you threw money away on private high school as well. What a waste all of it.

I'm sorry you're poor and bitter.

I'm glad to be rich enough to pay for a high quality education regardless of how smart someone is, and pay for people to pursue the calling of teaching, and pay for a comfortable life, and I'm happy to pay for people who need public welfare education.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because we are rich.

I know you’re trying to be cool, but just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. The second tier schools, private, and not, are just not as good as the top state flagships. So you’re throwing your money away. Maybe you have the money to throw, but that doesn’t make it smart.

I also drive a Mercedes, which is not “smart”. Sometimes it’s about quality of life. My kids wanted to go to those schools so we’ll pay for it because we can more than afford it. YOLO.

Well at least you admit you’re not smart. And obviously neither are your kids judging from where they ended up at college. No doubt you threw money away on private high school as well. What a waste all of it.

I'm sorry you're poor and bitter.

I'm glad to be rich enough to pay for a high quality education regardless of how smart someone is, and pay for people to pursue the calling of teaching, and pay for a comfortable life, and I'm happy to pay for people who need public welfare education.

We don't know. PP goes be a rich miser desperately hoping that the next dollar be the one that loves them back.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Because we are rich.

I know you’re trying to be cool, but just because you’re rich doesn’t mean you’re smart. The second tier schools, private, and not, are just not as good as the top state flagships. So you’re throwing your money away. Maybe you have the money to throw, but that doesn’t make it smart.

I also drive a Mercedes, which is not “smart”. Sometimes it’s about quality of life. My kids wanted to go to those schools so we’ll pay for it because we can more than afford it. YOLO.

Well at least you admit you’re not smart. And obviously neither are your kids judging from where they ended up at college. No doubt you threw money away on private high school as well. What a waste all of it.

I'm sorry you're poor and bitter.

I'm glad to be rich enough to pay for a high quality education regardless of how smart someone is, and pay for people to pursue the calling of teaching, and pay for a comfortable life, and I'm happy to pay for people who need public welfare education.

lol nice try. The only problem is you’re not talking to someone who is poor. Far from it. If you really think that schools like UVA and Michigan etc are full of poor kids you’re even less bright than I thought.

What’s that saying about how you can tell who the richest person is at any fancy event? It’s usually the one in the least fancy clothes.

Ha ha but I was right about the private high school obviously!

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We are in Michigan and on average the high school sends 15-18% of the graduating class to U of M. So, will see what happens! However after that there is only one other state school that DS likes, will definitely be looking at privates to see what can match Michigan in terms of cost with aid.

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My HS junior wouldn’t be able to get into a top Ivy and he will be applying to the two top publics in our state. I’m confident that he’ll get into one. So, I guess we’re taking OP’s advice.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Well, people that have instate Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and UT-Austin as options are in a wonderful place. And I suspect very few of those families can be persuaded to drop an additional $250,000 for undergrad at a different school.

But that's five schools out of 5000 colleges. There are a bazillion reasons why people choose something different than the state flagship. And for middle class families, the elite private schools are often cheaper than state flagships. Plus major strength, programs, vibe, network, opportunities, sports, location, community, weather, and on and on.

Many people who have instate in CA go private if they can afford it. UCB and UCLA are great graduate schools and they can be good choices for many kids but any top UC comes with alot of compromises which limits their attractiveness to many.

Please. If you’re in-state and get admitted to Berkeley or UCLA that’s where you’re going. UCLA is a dream for most California teens.

are you an idiot? is that why the in state yield is only like 50%?

DP. UCLA’s is 60%. UCB’s is 50%. These are already strong yields. Then factor in that some kids get into both and can’t choose both so they show up in one school’s yield but not the other. That means the two-school yield (i.e., they chose at least one of the two) is even higher. Maybe use that big brain of yours before calling people idiots.

Those are pretty strong yields for not having an ED round. Cornell's yield is 65% and that is including an ED round.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Well, people that have instate Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and UT-Austin as options are in a wonderful place. And I suspect very few of those families can be persuaded to drop an additional $250,000 for undergrad at a different school.

But that's five schools out of 5000 colleges. There are a bazillion reasons why people choose something different than the state flagship. And for middle class families, the elite private schools are often cheaper than state flagships. Plus major strength, programs, vibe, network, opportunities, sports, location, community, weather, and on and on.

Many people who have instate in CA go private if they can afford it. UCB and UCLA are great graduate schools and they can be good choices for many kids but any top UC comes with alot of compromises which limits their attractiveness to many.

Please. If you’re in-state and get admitted to Berkeley or UCLA that’s where you’re going. UCLA is a dream for most California teens.

are you an idiot? is that why the in state yield is only like 50%?

DP. UCLA’s is 60%. UCB’s is 50%. These are already strong yields. Then factor in that some kids get into both and can’t choose both so they show up in one school’s yield but not the other. That means the two-school yield (i.e., they chose at least one of the two) is even higher. Maybe use that big brain of yours before calling people idiots.

Those are pretty strong yields for not having an ED round. Cornell's yield is 65% and that is including an ED round.

It's not even that. The UC application is one application for all UC schools. Most kids will then select like 4-5 different UC schools because why not. You have to pay an additional application fee, but the content of the application is exactly the same...you just click a box.

UC is also different though in having just one round. You apply by 11/30 and that's the one-and-only application date.

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No, the CA supplementals vary by school.

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This is DC Urban Mom… why don’t half the people on these boards ever realize that the District of Columbia has no state flagship?! I’m so sick of people saying “just go to your state flagship” on this board of all places. Yes I realize people are on the board from all over, but it is a DC board after all.