When you can’t get into an Ivy +

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just go to your state flagship, especially if it’s ranked in , say, the top 50? Tell me it makes no sense to pay all of that money for a private university that isn’t ranked in the top 15 or 20 when you could go to UVA, Michigan, North Carolina, maybe Florida, and obviously the UC schools?

Quite true… median Berkeley (~10000 undergraduates) , UCLA, UVA ,UF student is quite mediocre… yet people strut. Oh well….

Well, people that have instate Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, Georgia Tech, and UT-Austin as options are in a wonderful place. And I suspect very few of those families can be persuaded to drop an additional $250,000 for undergrad at a different school.

But that's five schools out of 5000 colleges. There are a bazillion reasons why people choose something different than the state flagship. And for middle class families, the elite private schools are often cheaper than state flagships. Plus major strength, programs, vibe, network, opportunities, sports, location, community, weather, and on and on.

Many people who have instate in CA go private if they can afford it. UCB and UCLA are great graduate schools and they can be good choices for many kids but any top UC comes with alot of compromises which limits their attractiveness to many.

Please. If you’re in-state and get admitted to Berkeley or UCLA that’s where you’re going. UCLA is a dream for most California teens.

are you an idiot? is that why the in state yield is only like 50%?

DP. UCLA’s is 60%. UCB’s is 50%. These are already strong yields. Then factor in that some kids get into both and can’t choose both so they show up in one school’s yield but not the other. That means the two-school yield (i.e., they chose at least one of the two) is even higher. Maybe use that big brain of yours before calling people idiots.

Is 60 or 50% equivalent to “that’s where you’re going after getting admitted?”. Didnt realize those numbers even accounting for cross admits = 100%. No you are an idiot

California is well represented at the top 15 privates for a reason and it’s sure as hell not because they got rejected at the UCs when the admitted profile stats for UCLA and Berkeley are meh even discounting for test optional. They are largely asian who would absolutely go to a top private if they could

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Anonymous wrote:WASP

Above posted, WASP colleges for a smaller undergrad experience/alternative. Or honors program at state flagship

Hate to break it to you folks, but unhooked WASP is a tougher admit than Ivy+, except for HYPSM.

This group has more acronyms than the military. Jeebus.

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Anonymous wrote:Top tier colleges (public flagship or Private) are really, really hard to get into. Single digit and low double digit admit rates.

So there is only a tiny sliver of the population actually making a decision between Ivy, Ivy+, and top-tier in-state flagship. I think most of the discussion here is speculation, not actual parents helping their kids to make rational decisions.

I get a strong "Sour Grapes" vibe from this thread.

We were in this situation. Kid accepted to T15 and to one of the top ranked state flagships mentioned earlier in this thread.
There was no way we were paying almost $400k for private T15 when we had the option of paying $180k for top in-state flagship.
That being said, kid didn't even go to state flagship bc got full ride at oos flagship, and in-state flagship offered zero $.

It's interesting because a lot of the tippy top students from our state don't end up going to the in-state top ranked flagship bc neighboring states offer them $$$$ to attend their state flagship. Or, if they are low income they are offered big need based $ at top privates.