Just 73,000 jobs added in July!

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Anonymous wrote:According to a Reddit economics post something like 88% of all new jobs went to immigrants the last few years. There is a lot to unpack with a statement like that but obviously that is going to drop with this administration. We are already seeing that happening.

Was this Reddit post backed up by any links to actual data? Where is the proof of the 88% number.

Do you doubt it. You can figure it out with the back of the envelope calculation. Each year over a million people came to the US most of which are working age males. They all got jobs. There were only five million jobs added to the economy in that time. Most of them went to immigrants.

But what makes you think that this displaced a lot of Americans? I see nothing indicating that other than your personal assumption.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a Reddit economics post something like 88% of all new jobs went to immigrants the last few years. There is a lot to unpack with a statement like that but obviously that is going to drop with this administration. We are already seeing that happening.

Was this Reddit post backed up by any links to actual data? Where is the proof of the 88% number.

Do you doubt it. You can figure it out with the back of the envelope calculation. Each year over a million people came to the US most of which are working age males. They all got jobs. There were only five million jobs added to the economy in that time. Most of them went to immigrants.

This "back of the envelope" thinking isn't quite right. For one, while we had 1 million immigrants come in per year, that number does in fact also include many children, retirees, stay-at-home moms and so on. Thus there is no 1:1 correlation between immigrants and people taking jobs. The numbers are generally, directionally correct, but the relationship you are drawing is not entirely valid and ignores many things. It's like saying "a lot of umbrellas are sold during the rainy season therefore umbrellas are causing the rain."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a Reddit economics post something like 88% of all new jobs went to immigrants the last few years. There is a lot to unpack with a statement like that but obviously that is going to drop with this administration. We are already seeing that happening.

Was this Reddit post backed up by any links to actual data? Where is the proof of the 88% number.

Do you doubt it. You can figure it out with the back of the envelope calculation. Each year over a million people came to the US most of which are working age males. They all got jobs. There were only five million jobs added to the economy in that time. Most of them went to immigrants.

This "back of the envelope" thinking isn't quite right. For one, while we had 1 million immigrants come in per year, that number does in fact also include many children, retirees, stay-at-home moms and so on. Thus there is no 1:1 correlation between immigrants and people taking jobs. The numbers are generally, directionally correct, but the relationship you are drawing is not entirely valid and ignores many things. It's like saying "a lot of umbrellas are sold during the rainy season therefore umbrellas are causing the rain."

I think it's fair to say that most immigrants are working age males.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a Reddit economics post something like 88% of all new jobs went to immigrants the last few years. There is a lot to unpack with a statement like that but obviously that is going to drop with this administration. We are already seeing that happening.

Was this Reddit post backed up by any links to actual data? Where is the proof of the 88% number.

Do you doubt it. You can figure it out with the back of the envelope calculation. Each year over a million people came to the US most of which are working age males. They all got jobs. There were only five million jobs added to the economy in that time. Most of them went to immigrants.

This "back of the envelope" thinking isn't quite right. For one, while we had 1 million immigrants come in per year, that number does in fact also include many children, retirees, stay-at-home moms and so on. Thus there is no 1:1 correlation between immigrants and people taking jobs. The numbers are generally, directionally correct, but the relationship you are drawing is not entirely valid and ignores many things. It's like saying "a lot of umbrellas are sold during the rainy season therefore umbrellas are causing the rain."

I think it's fair to say that most immigrants are working age males.

Fine so numbers and sources. I must remark some peoples in intuition here isn't very well informed. I mean immigration has been a political issue since at least 2016.

Here’s an updated summary of U.S. immigration from **2020 through mid‑2025**, covering both legal and undocumented arrivals, and providing estimates for working‑age adults and particularly males:

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## 🧾 Annual Immigrant Arrivals (Legal + Undocumented)

### **Legal (Lawful Permanent Residents)**

Data from the Department of Homeland Security:

* **2020**: \~ 707,000 new lawful permanent residents ([The Wall Street Journal][1])
* **2021**: \~ 740,000 ([Wikipedia][2])
* **2022**: \~ 1,018,000 ([Wikipedia][2])
* **2023**: \~ 1,173,000 ([Wikipedia][2])

Additionally, USAFacts reports about **2.6 million immigrants** via authorized channels in 2022 (including temporary visas, refugees/asylum, etc.), though that includes more than just green‑card grants ([usafacts.org][3]).

### **Undocumented & Other Unauthorized Arrivals**

CBP “encounters” and population estimates provide a sense of unauthorized flows:

* In FY 2021: \~ 1.7 million detentions at southwest border; FY 2022: \~ 2.76 m; FY 2023: \~ 2.8 m. Many more “gotaways” and repeat crossers exist ([Wikipedia][4], [migrationpolicy.org][5]).
* Pew‑CBO estimates: since end‑2020, total migrant inflow (legal + unauthorized) of \~ 9 million by mid‑2024; about 60–65% unauthorized (\~5.5–6 m) ([The Wall Street Journal][1], [pewresearch.org][6]).
* CIS reports foreign‑born population grew by 5.1 million from March 2022 to March 2024, and that 58% of increase under Biden (from Jan 2021) was due to illegal migration (\~6.6 m total; \~3.8 m unauthorized) ([cis.org][7]).

---

## 📊 Estimated Total Immigrants by Year

Given data limitations, here’s a reasoned estimate per calendar year:

| Year | Legal Permanent Residents | Estimated Additional Legal/Temporary | Estimated Unauthorized\* | **Estimated Total** |
| -------- | ------------------------- | ------------------------------------ | ------------------------ | ------------------- |
| **2020** | \~0.71 million | \~0.6 million | \~1.0 million | **\~2.3 million** |
| **2021** | \~0.74 million | \~0.6 million | \~2.0 million | **\~3.3 million** |
| **2022** | \~1.02 million | \~1.6 million | \~2.6 million | **\~5.2 million** |
| **2023** | \~1.17 million | \~1.8 million | \~2.8 million\*\* | **\~5.8 million** |

\* “Unauthorized” estimates reflect border encounters and population growth; definitely approximate.
\*

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## 👤 Working‑Age Adults & Male Share

* According to Brookings, **76–78%** of new arrivals in 2021–22 were age **16–64** (working age) ([brookings.edu][8]).
* WSJ and Goldman Sachs report **\~78–90%** of post‑2020 arrivals are of prime working age; and many estimates say **90% or more** are male or skew male among unauthorized seekers ([The Wall Street Journal][1], [MarketWatch][9]).
* Employment‑status data (e.g. Census/BLS via CPS): participation rates for recent arrivals aged 16+ run \~68% labor‑force participation; men especially high rates (\~85% of men without a bachelor’s degree are in labor force) ([cis.org][10]).

### Estimated Working-Age Male Figures

Applying these rates, approximate estimates **per year**:

* \~75–80% of total immigrants are working‑age adults (16–64).
* Roughly half of those are male, and among adult male arrivals labor‑force participation \~85%.

So for each year:

* **2020**: total \~2.3 m → working‑age \~1.7 m → males \~0.85 m
* **2021**: \~3.3 m → \~2.5 m working‑age → males \~1.3 m
* **2022**: \~5.2 m → \~3.9 m working‑age → males \~2.0 m
* **2023**: \~5.8 m → \~4.4 m working‑age → males \~2.2 m

---

## ✅ Summary

* **Total immigrants** (legal and unauthorized) rose from roughly **2.3 million in 2020** to around **5.8 million in 2023**.
* **Working-age adults (16–64)** represent **\~75–80%** of those arrivals—so in 2023 about **4.4 million**.
* **Working-age males** likely account for roughly **half**, i.e. **\~2.2 million** in 2023, with high labor‑force participation (\~85%).

---

## 📌 Caveats & Notes

1. Figures for **unauthorized migration** are estimates of *encounters*, not unique individuals—and multiple crossings by same person inflate numbers. The unauthorized population living in the U.S. grows more slowly.
2. **Legal temporary residents** (e.g. visas, refugees/asylees, parolees) are included in broader totals but granular year‑by‑year data is limited beyond LPRs.
3. **Male-specific estimates** involve assumptions drawn from demographic patterns and survey data, rather than precise counts.
4. These are **order‑of‑magnitude** approximations rather than exact tallies; available official statistics don't break out full gender-by-age for every migration stream.

---

Would you like more breakdowns—for example by visa type (refugee, employment, family), specific demographic categories, or regional origins (Latin America vs Asia)? I can help dig further by year or by legal status.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/economy/how-immigration-remade-the-u-s-labor-force-716c18ee?utm_source=chatgpt.com "How Immigration Remade the U.S. Labor Force"
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_statistics?utm_source=chatgpt.com "United States immigration statistics"
[3]: https://usafacts.org/articles/refugees-asylum-and-green-cards-look-latest-immigration-data-department-homeland-security/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "How many people immigrate to the US via authorized channels each year? | USAFacts"
[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_crisis?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Mexico–United States border crisis"
[5]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states-2025?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Article: Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigr.. | migrationpolicy.org"
[6]: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Key findings about U.S. immigrants | Pew Research Center"
[7]: https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Population-Grew-51-Million-Last-Two-Years?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Foreign-Born Population Grew by 5.1 Million in the Last Two Years"
[8]: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/who-are-the-new-immigrants/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Who are the new immigrants? | Brookings"
[9]: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-where-the-surge-of-immigrants-come-from-and-end-up-according-to-goldman-sachs-98f8d059?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Here's where the surge of immigrants come from and end up, according to Goldman Sachs"
[10]: https://cis.org/Report/Employment-Situation-Immigrants-and-USborn-Fourth-Quarter-2023?utm_source=chatgpt.com "The Employment Situation of Immigrants and the U.S.-born in the Fourth Quarter of 2023"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:According to a Reddit economics post something like 88% of all new jobs went to immigrants the last few years. There is a lot to unpack with a statement like that but obviously that is going to drop with this administration. We are already seeing that happening.

Was this Reddit post backed up by any links to actual data? Where is the proof of the 88% number.

Do you doubt it. You can figure it out with the back of the envelope calculation. Each year over a million people came to the US most of which are working age males. They all got jobs. There were only five million jobs added to the economy in that time. Most of them went to immigrants.

This "back of the envelope" thinking isn't quite right. For one, while we had 1 million immigrants come in per year, that number does in fact also include many children, retirees, stay-at-home moms and so on. Thus there is no 1:1 correlation between immigrants and people taking jobs. The numbers are generally, directionally correct, but the relationship you are drawing is not entirely valid and ignores many things. It's like saying "a lot of umbrellas are sold during the rainy season therefore umbrellas are causing the rain."

I think it's fair to say that most immigrants are working age males.

Fine so numbers and sources. I must remark some peoples in intuition here isn't very well informed. I mean immigration has been a political issue since at least 2016.

Here’s an updated summary of U.S. immigration from **2020 through mid‑2025**, covering both legal and undocumented arrivals, and providing estimates for working‑age adults and particularly males:

---

## 🧾 Annual Immigrant Arrivals (Legal + Undocumented)

### **Legal (Lawful Permanent Residents)**

Data from the Department of Homeland Security:

* **2020**: \~ 707,000 new lawful permanent residents ([The Wall Street Journal][1])
* **2021**: \~ 740,000 ([Wikipedia][2])
* **2022**: \~ 1,018,000 ([Wikipedia][2])
* **2023**: \~ 1,173,000 ([Wikipedia][2])

Additionally, USAFacts reports about **2.6 million immigrants** via authorized channels in 2022 (including temporary visas, refugees/asylum, etc.), though that includes more than just green‑card grants ([usafacts.org][3]).

### **Undocumented & Other Unauthorized Arrivals**

CBP “encounters” and population estimates provide a sense of unauthorized flows:

* In FY 2021: \~ 1.7 million detentions at southwest border; FY 2022: \~ 2.76 m; FY 2023: \~ 2.8 m. Many more “gotaways” and repeat crossers exist ([Wikipedia][4], [migrationpolicy.org][5]).
* Pew‑CBO estimates: since end‑2020, total migrant inflow (legal + unauthorized) of \~ 9 million by mid‑2024; about 60–65% unauthorized (\~5.5–6 m) ([The Wall Street Journal][1], [pewresearch.org][6]).
* CIS reports foreign‑born population grew by 5.1 million from March 2022 to March 2024, and that 58% of increase under Biden (from Jan 2021) was due to illegal migration (\~6.6 m total; \~3.8 m unauthorized) ([cis.org][7]).

---

## 📊 Estimated Total Immigrants by Year

Given data limitations, here’s a reasoned estimate per calendar year:

| Year | Legal Permanent Residents | Estimated Additional Legal/Temporary | Estimated Unauthorized\* | **Estimated Total** |
| -------- | ------------------------- | ------------------------------------ | ------------------------ | ------------------- |
| **2020** | \~0.71 million | \~0.6 million | \~1.0 million | **\~2.3 million** |
| **2021** | \~0.74 million | \~0.6 million | \~2.0 million | **\~3.3 million** |
| **2022** | \~1.02 million | \~1.6 million | \~2.6 million | **\~5.2 million** |
| **2023** | \~1.17 million | \~1.8 million | \~2.8 million\*\* | **\~5.8 million** |

\* “Unauthorized” estimates reflect border encounters and population growth; definitely approximate.
\*

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## 👤 Working‑Age Adults & Male Share

* According to Brookings, **76–78%** of new arrivals in 2021–22 were age **16–64** (working age) ([brookings.edu][8]).
* WSJ and Goldman Sachs report **\~78–90%** of post‑2020 arrivals are of prime working age; and many estimates say **90% or more** are male or skew male among unauthorized seekers ([The Wall Street Journal][1], [MarketWatch][9]).
* Employment‑status data (e.g. Census/BLS via CPS): participation rates for recent arrivals aged 16+ run \~68% labor‑force participation; men especially high rates (\~85% of men without a bachelor’s degree are in labor force) ([cis.org][10]).

### Estimated Working-Age Male Figures

Applying these rates, approximate estimates **per year**:

* \~75–80% of total immigrants are working‑age adults (16–64).
* Roughly half of those are male, and among adult male arrivals labor‑force participation \~85%.

So for each year:

* **2020**: total \~2.3 m → working‑age \~1.7 m → males \~0.85 m
* **2021**: \~3.3 m → \~2.5 m working‑age → males \~1.3 m
* **2022**: \~5.2 m → \~3.9 m working‑age → males \~2.0 m
* **2023**: \~5.8 m → \~4.4 m working‑age → males \~2.2 m

---

## ✅ Summary

* **Total immigrants** (legal and unauthorized) rose from roughly **2.3 million in 2020** to around **5.8 million in 2023**.
* **Working-age adults (16–64)** represent **\~75–80%** of those arrivals—so in 2023 about **4.4 million**.
* **Working-age males** likely account for roughly **half**, i.e. **\~2.2 million** in 2023, with high labor‑force participation (\~85%).

---

## 📌 Caveats & Notes

1. Figures for **unauthorized migration** are estimates of *encounters*, not unique individuals—and multiple crossings by same person inflate numbers. The unauthorized population living in the U.S. grows more slowly.
2. **Legal temporary residents** (e.g. visas, refugees/asylees, parolees) are included in broader totals but granular year‑by‑year data is limited beyond LPRs.
3. **Male-specific estimates** involve assumptions drawn from demographic patterns and survey data, rather than precise counts.
4. These are **order‑of‑magnitude** approximations rather than exact tallies; available official statistics don't break out full gender-by-age for every migration stream.

---

Would you like more breakdowns—for example by visa type (refugee, employment, family), specific demographic categories, or regional origins (Latin America vs Asia)? I can help dig further by year or by legal status.

[1]: https://www.wsj.com/economy/how-immigration-remade-the-u-s-labor-force-716c18ee?utm_source=chatgpt.com "How Immigration Remade the U.S. Labor Force"
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_immigration_statistics?utm_source=chatgpt.com "United States immigration statistics"
[3]: https://usafacts.org/articles/refugees-asylum-and-green-cards-look-latest-immigration-data-department-homeland-security/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "How many people immigrate to the US via authorized channels each year? | USAFacts"
[4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico%E2%80%93United_States_border_crisis?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Mexico–United States border crisis"
[5]: https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states-2025?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Article: Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigr.. | migrationpolicy.org"
[6]: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/07/22/key-findings-about-us-immigrants/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Key findings about U.S. immigrants | Pew Research Center"
[7]: https://cis.org/Report/ForeignBorn-Population-Grew-51-Million-Last-Two-Years?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Foreign-Born Population Grew by 5.1 Million in the Last Two Years"
[8]: https://www.brookings.edu/articles/who-are-the-new-immigrants/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Who are the new immigrants? | Brookings"
[9]: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-where-the-surge-of-immigrants-come-from-and-end-up-according-to-goldman-sachs-98f8d059?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Here's where the surge of immigrants come from and end up, according to Goldman Sachs"
[10]: https://cis.org/Report/Employment-Situation-Immigrants-and-USborn-Fourth-Quarter-2023?utm_source=chatgpt.com "The Employment Situation of Immigrants and the U.S.-born in the Fourth Quarter of 2023"

I mean seriously there were about a million legal immigrants in that period. How could you miss that one?