MSDC Seats and Waitlist Offer Data - updated to include 2025-26 data

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Anonymous wrote:DC Bilingual offered 0 seats for PK4 and K which seems really different from past years. Anyone have insight there?

I feel like I read in my ANC meeting notes that they are rennovating?

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We are at DCB. They are not renovating. I think other years may have been slight class expansion/class size correcting years and now the numbers are a little more balanced? We are doing re-enrollment so I’m sure some families may move and they may open up some spots.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW—We have many friends who go to Sela and love it. We decided not to include it on our list because of the poor outdoor space. Also, if you look into the funding stream coming from the Hebrew immersion charter school organization they are affiliated with there is money coming from the Israeli government. We are Jewish and also (in addition to poor outdoor space) decided not to send our kid there because of that.

We are also Jewish and it's nearby where we live but we opted not to include it at all for our second child this time around the PK3 lottery due to to the specific institutional affiliation with Israel.

I don't know why people want to discount that as a very possibility.

I will also add that the DCPS schools around it in Ward 4 have gotten much more popular and Wells is turning into a more solid MS feeder which is naturally going to hurt it too.

It’s hard to know if you are just cos-playing Jewish online because I suspect most literate Jews know the school is not affiliated with Israel - unless you count affiliated in the way that Mundo Verde is affiliated with El Salvador or Yu Ying is affiliated with China. Or the way Wells and Coolidge are affiliated with Qatar. Remote work has been cancelled. People have lost their jobs and been forced to move out of the city. People are having fewer kids, period.

What? First, it's a secular school that teaches a language spoken only in Israel. So it's a weird to say there are no ties in the first place.

There are numerous articles (including from the Forward) about the fact that the school hangs Israeli flags and that they performed for the Israeli embassy. One of the Board members described it as an Israeli themed school. They released a statement about their sympathies with Israel and their Israeli community. According to their own social media they celebrate Israel Day every year.

Now maybe that has changed in the last few years since we looked but it absolutely prided itself on its connections to Israel.

The rest of your statement is just racist.

Honestly, your post is pretty racist and bot-like. If you go to any Spanish immersion program in DC - you will see flags of Spanish speaking countries - including El Salvador (which we see on the news has a horrible government or Venezuela (ditto) or Honduras. They have teachers from Spanish speaking countries. They visit embassies. Yu Ying has Chinese flags. They take a trip to China. They bring Chinese teachers to America. DC’s Arabic programs receive funding from Qatari foundations. The Chair of Sela’s board is a Muslim. They have Arab teachers. They have Muslim and Arab students. It sounds like you have a lot of ego or bias wrapped up in being right about a school you know zero about. Maybe you will get better in a few years - with some more adulting.

You said the school has no association with Israel. It very clear does. That makes some people uncomfortable. I don't know what else to tell you.

PP was very clear what they meant by that and you had nothing to say about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know how many students there are per grade at MacArthur? For 9th grade, the school had 220 lottery seats, which seems high, without knowing how many kids will go there from Hardy.

How many 9th graders are there this year? It looks like the school had 60 lottery seats for next year's 10th grade, and there's no wait list.

https://edscape.dc.gov/page/enrollment-trends-specific-public-schools

This year 188 in 9th, 147 in 10th, 55 in 11th. Last year 192 in 9th, 46 in 10th.

They offered 220 seats in the lottery (over projection since not all will enroll for 9th) and match 185 seats OOB in the lottery. That is a huge OOB ratio if there is 188 seats like this year.

Doesn’t sound like they think there will be alot of IB buy in.

IB rate was 28% this year, 29% last year.

Last year they had to make 307 offers to enroll ~133 OOB 9th graders. The year before that it was 205 total offers to enroll 137 OOB 9th graders. Doesn't seem too wild to offer 220 OOB seats and expect anywhere from 95-150 to enroll based on historical data. IB could be anywhere from 55-110 (for SY23-24, 55 Hardy 8th graders went on to MacArthur, 55 to JR) given that Hardy students can't opt for JR anymore. Gives you an overall class size somewhere between 140-260, with IB rate anywhere from 27-54%.

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Anonymous wrote:Hill parent of rising PK3 kiddo here. Some things I found interesting:

- SWS gave all their slots to kids with siblings attending. Not even 1 no preference got in
- Maury only had 2 regular inbounds accepted, rest had siblings
- AppleTree Lincoln Park supposedly had 80 PK3 spots! That's more than double any previous years (alternated between 25 and 40). Makes me wonder if that was a mistake. They also accepted 10 PK4 where past few years had been 0. Did they expand or something? I can't imagine where they'd have space to.
- Miner had a lot fewer "early action" slots taken and a shorter waitlist than usual. Maybe because they all went to ATLP??

On AppleTree, maybe just a new strategy for managing the waitlist and enrollment? Offer a bunch of seats up front so when students decline the seat you don't have to go so deep into the waitlist in the fall? Last year they had 25 matches on results day but made 55 waitlist offers by October = 80 offers.

Seems a little irresponsible, no? What if all 80 enroll? Even 25 kids could decide not to enroll and that would still be 13 more than AT LP has ever accepted at the PK3 level.

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SY24-25 they made 80 offers (match + waitlist) and ended up with 31 enrolled.

SY23-24 they made 66 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

SY22-23 they made 71 offers and ended up with 24 enrolled.

SY21-22 they made 76 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

It's a backup option for a lot of Hill families. There's always a ton of waitlist movement.

Right, but those excess offers were made as spots opened up at the school? In those other years, there was never a possibility that 66, 71, or 76 people could actually enroll in the school. Here, 80 kids could enroll at the school tomorrow and they’d be screwed.

Yes, but they won't because Apple Tree is often a backup option. Some people will get into other schools, some parents will lose jobs and move back to their hometown, and some parents will just decide the kid isn't quite ready for school yet.

I wonder if their plan is that if they wind up overenrolled to encourage people to go to Oklahoma Ave, Waterfront, or Lenfant.

You gotta love the mentality if DCUM parents who think they understand offers and yields better than the actual schools. Priceless!

And you gotta love the audacity of a school offering more seats than they can actually accommodate. 80 PK3 kids don't fit in AT LP. Schools shouldn't be allowed to match more kids than there's room for. Pull off the wait list after the enrollment deadline like everyone else.

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Anonymous wrote:Hill parent of rising PK3 kiddo here. Some things I found interesting:

- SWS gave all their slots to kids with siblings attending. Not even 1 no preference got in
- Maury only had 2 regular inbounds accepted, rest had siblings
- AppleTree Lincoln Park supposedly had 80 PK3 spots! That's more than double any previous years (alternated between 25 and 40). Makes me wonder if that was a mistake. They also accepted 10 PK4 where past few years had been 0. Did they expand or something? I can't imagine where they'd have space to.
- Miner had a lot fewer "early action" slots taken and a shorter waitlist than usual. Maybe because they all went to ATLP??

On AppleTree, maybe just a new strategy for managing the waitlist and enrollment? Offer a bunch of seats up front so when students decline the seat you don't have to go so deep into the waitlist in the fall? Last year they had 25 matches on results day but made 55 waitlist offers by October = 80 offers.

Seems a little irresponsible, no? What if all 80 enroll? Even 25 kids could decide not to enroll and that would still be 13 more than AT LP has ever accepted at the PK3 level.

Maybe.

SY24-25 they made 80 offers (match + waitlist) and ended up with 31 enrolled.

SY23-24 they made 66 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

SY22-23 they made 71 offers and ended up with 24 enrolled.

SY21-22 they made 76 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

It's a backup option for a lot of Hill families. There's always a ton of waitlist movement.

Right, but those excess offers were made as spots opened up at the school? In those other years, there was never a possibility that 66, 71, or 76 people could actually enroll in the school. Here, 80 kids could enroll at the school tomorrow and they’d be screwed.

Yes, but they won't because Apple Tree is often a backup option. Some people will get into other schools, some parents will lose jobs and move back to their hometown, and some parents will just decide the kid isn't quite ready for school yet.

I wonder if their plan is that if they wind up overenrolled to encourage people to go to Oklahoma Ave, Waterfront, or Lenfant.

You gotta love the mentality if DCUM parents who think they understand offers and yields better than the actual schools. Priceless!

And you gotta love the audacity of a school offering more seats than they can actually accommodate. 80 PK3 kids don't fit in AT LP. Schools shouldn't be allowed to match more kids than there's room for. Pull off the wait list after the enrollment deadline like everyone else.

Many schools match more kids than slots. It's less disruptive to ALL schools to have less churn. Now a Washington Latin isn't going to overenroll because they have such a high rate of families taking the slots, but for other schools, it makes sense and is better for everyone involved. For example, familiar have a sense of certainty sooner.

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Anonymous wrote:DC Bilingual offered 0 seats for PK4 and K which seems really different from past years. Anyone have insight there?

I feel like I read in my ANC meeting notes that they are rennovating?

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We are at DCB. They are not renovating. I think other years may have been slight class expansion/class size correcting years and now the numbers are a little more balanced? We are doing re-enrollment so I’m sure some families may move and they may open up some spots.

Ah, bummer - sounds like there probably won’t be as much waitlist movement this year then.

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Anonymous wrote:Hill parent of rising PK3 kiddo here. Some things I found interesting:

- SWS gave all their slots to kids with siblings attending. Not even 1 no preference got in
- Maury only had 2 regular inbounds accepted, rest had siblings
- AppleTree Lincoln Park supposedly had 80 PK3 spots! That's more than double any previous years (alternated between 25 and 40). Makes me wonder if that was a mistake. They also accepted 10 PK4 where past few years had been 0. Did they expand or something? I can't imagine where they'd have space to.
- Miner had a lot fewer "early action" slots taken and a shorter waitlist than usual. Maybe because they all went to ATLP??

On AppleTree, maybe just a new strategy for managing the waitlist and enrollment? Offer a bunch of seats up front so when students decline the seat you don't have to go so deep into the waitlist in the fall? Last year they had 25 matches on results day but made 55 waitlist offers by October = 80 offers.

Seems a little irresponsible, no? What if all 80 enroll? Even 25 kids could decide not to enroll and that would still be 13 more than AT LP has ever accepted at the PK3 level.

Maybe.

SY24-25 they made 80 offers (match + waitlist) and ended up with 31 enrolled.

SY23-24 they made 66 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

SY22-23 they made 71 offers and ended up with 24 enrolled.

SY21-22 they made 76 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

It's a backup option for a lot of Hill families. There's always a ton of waitlist movement.

Right, but those excess offers were made as spots opened up at the school? In those other years, there was never a possibility that 66, 71, or 76 people could actually enroll in the school. Here, 80 kids could enroll at the school tomorrow and they’d be screwed.

Yes, but they won't because Apple Tree is often a backup option. Some people will get into other schools, some parents will lose jobs and move back to their hometown, and some parents will just decide the kid isn't quite ready for school yet.

I wonder if their plan is that if they wind up overenrolled to encourage people to go to Oklahoma Ave, Waterfront, or Lenfant.

You gotta love the mentality if DCUM parents who think they understand offers and yields better than the actual schools. Priceless!

And you gotta love the audacity of a school offering more seats than they can actually accommodate. 80 PK3 kids don't fit in AT LP. Schools shouldn't be allowed to match more kids than there's room for. Pull off the wait list after the enrollment deadline like everyone else.

Yeah, there is nothing new to matching kids based on expected yield. Colleges do it, private schools do it, and so do schools in the MSDC lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like MacArthur is a clear easy post-lottery add for any 9th grader who didn't match

But why spend 2 hours round trip going all the way across town to a poorly performing title 1 school when you can just go to a similar one in your neighborhood that down the street or less then 10 minutes away?

Wow...

I mean… is the PP wrong? What is inherently better about MacArthur than the schools people are zoned for? The people trying to send their kids across town to MacA are the “racists” (scare quotes) not the poster merely pointing out that a school in ward 3 is not better just because it’s in ward 3.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like MacArthur is a clear easy post-lottery add for any 9th grader who didn't match

But why spend 2 hours round trip going all the way across town to a poorly performing title 1 school when you can just go to a similar one in your neighborhood that down the street or less then 10 minutes away?

Wow...

I mean… is the PP wrong? What is inherently better about MacArthur than the schools people are zoned for? The people trying to send their kids across town to MacA are the “racists” (scare quotes) not the poster merely pointing out that a school in ward 3 is not better just because it’s in ward 3.

Is this a serious question?

School, math 4+, English 4+
MacArthur, 11%, 40%
Eastern, 1%, 15%
Dunbar, 1%, 14%
Roosevelt, 0%, 12%

That’s why.

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Anonymous wrote:It looks like MacArthur is a clear easy post-lottery add for any 9th grader who didn't match

But why spend 2 hours round trip going all the way across town to a poorly performing title 1 school when you can just go to a similar one in your neighborhood that down the street or less then 10 minutes away?

Wow...

I mean… is the PP wrong? What is inherently better about MacArthur than the schools people are zoned for? The people trying to send their kids across town to MacA are the “racists” (scare quotes) not the poster merely pointing out that a school in ward 3 is not better just because it’s in ward 3.

Is this a serious question?

School, math 4+, English 4+
MacArthur, 11%, 40%
Eastern, 1%, 15%
Dunbar, 1%, 14%
Roosevelt, 0%, 12%

That’s why.

Sorry but that yield it not enough to subject my kid to a 2 hour plus commute in addition to having to supplement just to stay in the city.

But hey, you do you.

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When does MySchoolDC update the demographic information for each school? When I look up schools, I only see the 2023-2024 demographic information.

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Anonymous wrote:When does MySchoolDC update the demographic information for each school? When I look up schools, I only see the 2023-2024 demographic information.

You can look in the OSSE enrollment audit spreadsheets.

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On the selective school admissions (Banneker and SWW) - I hadn’t thought about kids choosing another school in MSDC lottery (probably the other or JR, right?) and thereby not making the match.

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Anonymous wrote:On the selective school admissions (Banneker and SWW) - I hadn’t thought about kids choosing another school in MSDC lottery (probably the other or JR, right?) and thereby not making the match.

Yes. Or Latin, they take a few in 9th. Or Duke Ellington or DCI.

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Anonymous wrote:Hill parent of rising PK3 kiddo here. Some things I found interesting:

- SWS gave all their slots to kids with siblings attending. Not even 1 no preference got in
- Maury only had 2 regular inbounds accepted, rest had siblings
- AppleTree Lincoln Park supposedly had 80 PK3 spots! That's more than double any previous years (alternated between 25 and 40). Makes me wonder if that was a mistake. They also accepted 10 PK4 where past few years had been 0. Did they expand or something? I can't imagine where they'd have space to.
- Miner had a lot fewer "early action" slots taken and a shorter waitlist than usual. Maybe because they all went to ATLP??

On AppleTree, maybe just a new strategy for managing the waitlist and enrollment? Offer a bunch of seats up front so when students decline the seat you don't have to go so deep into the waitlist in the fall? Last year they had 25 matches on results day but made 55 waitlist offers by October = 80 offers.

Seems a little irresponsible, no? What if all 80 enroll? Even 25 kids could decide not to enroll and that would still be 13 more than AT LP has ever accepted at the PK3 level.

Maybe.

SY24-25 they made 80 offers (match + waitlist) and ended up with 31 enrolled.

SY23-24 they made 66 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

SY22-23 they made 71 offers and ended up with 24 enrolled.

SY21-22 they made 76 offers and ended up with 39 enrolled.

It's a backup option for a lot of Hill families. There's always a ton of waitlist movement.

Right, but those excess offers were made as spots opened up at the school? In those other years, there was never a possibility that 66, 71, or 76 people could actually enroll in the school. Here, 80 kids could enroll at the school tomorrow and they’d be screwed.

Yes, but they won't because Apple Tree is often a backup option. Some people will get into other schools, some parents will lose jobs and move back to their hometown, and some parents will just decide the kid isn't quite ready for school yet.

I wonder if their plan is that if they wind up overenrolled to encourage people to go to Oklahoma Ave, Waterfront, or Lenfant.

You gotta love the mentality if DCUM parents who think they understand offers and yields better than the actual schools. Priceless!

And you gotta love the audacity of a school offering more seats than they can actually accommodate. 80 PK3 kids don't fit in AT LP. Schools shouldn't be allowed to match more kids than there's room for. Pull off the wait list after the enrollment deadline like everyone else.

This is how admissions work across the board. In DC. In every other city. Private schools. Colleges and Universities. Everywhere. There is a concept of "admission yield". There's an entire body of research on it but the bottom line is admission yield is specific to each institution and the institution has the best and most useful information to correctly predict admission yield. Which is why I made fun of DCUM posters like you who are so full of themselves that they think they know more than the schools know.

Wait, was your reply satire?