What’s the real deal with athletic recruiting?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD...4.0 GPA (Literally like everyone else), 24 ACT score. Admitted to Duke with 70% soccer scholarship.

Wow she’s dumb but she must be great at soccer

Sorry, but being gifted in a sport is much more important than her ACT score

Soccer at Duke gets dumb kids into Duke (oh and basketball)

and they are laughing all the way to that free Duke diploma and network, while you whine and complain that your smart kid didn't get in to UVA out of state, and omg its so unfair that UVA doesn't accept more instate, and ughhhhh when did JMU get hard to get in to, and I just can't believe that UMD didn't accept little Larla with her 4.3 GPA and her 31 ACT, it's sooooo unnnnffffaaairrrr.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Curious to hear how ‘off’ academically/score wise from a school’s regular admission class a recruited athlete can be. A little? A lot? I assume it depends in part on the athletes overall rank.

Fwiw my dc is into his sport but doesn’t care about using it as a ‘hook’ to get into a ‘reach’ school (assuming he could, of course) so I’m asking for my own education, not because he’ll be trying to take anyone’s spot at HYP 😝

Depends on the school but my DC had offers from a top 15 D1 school, as well as highly selective LACs at D3 level, and they made no accommodations for what it took to be admitted. The D1 had only 1 "coach choice" slot and they were going to use it for my kid but you still had to be close to their numbers (mine was but everyone who applies there is). Ultimately, they chose not to go D1. But my experience -and DC went on many visits and had lots of offers- was that you had to have the academics for the top schools.

We have friends who went to hopkins and Penn, among others, and they needed top GPA and over 1500 SAT to even talk to the coaches.

[Anonymous]

The real deal is that the backup quarterback at the University of Texas makes more money than the president of UVA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Sorry what’s all this with MIT?? What sports? I just can’t see very serious athletes wanting to go to MIT…

Right. Primarily talking about kids who use athletics as a leg up in admissions bc MIT still has teams to fill. We're generally not talking about someone who wants to "go pro" or make a bunch of NIL money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My take.

1. For the truly gifted athlete (ie nationally top ranked) recruiting is an open door into almost any school except maybe the most academic colleges (and even then if it’s a sport the alumni really care about they will find a way to admit you).

2. For the elite athlete (ie all-state/record holder) recruiting will significantly lower the admissions requirement. I personally know kids with a 3.5 and 1200 sat who have gotten into ivy league schools. That would be impossible w/o recruiting.

3. For the very good athlete (ie multi-year varsity starter/all-district) it can give an edge to the excellent student. The 4.2, 1450 sat kid has a good shot at a top school.

4. For everybody else- the recruiting game is reversed and your kid ends up going to lower ranked schools in order to play college sports.

But you don't really need to be at #2 athletic ability level above for Ivy recruiting, do you? I think #3 level above with the better academic stats is generally who ends up there? Talking about men's football/basketball/baseball.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My take.

1. For the truly gifted athlete (ie nationally top ranked) recruiting is an open door into almost any school except maybe the most academic colleges (and even then if it’s a sport the alumni really care about they will find a way to admit you).

2. For the elite athlete (ie all-state/record holder) recruiting will significantly lower the admissions requirement. I personally know kids with a 3.5 and 1200 sat who have gotten into ivy league schools. That would be impossible w/o recruiting.

3. For the very good athlete (ie multi-year varsity starter/all-district) it can give an edge to the excellent student. The 4.2, 1450 sat kid has a good shot at a top school.

4. For everybody else- the recruiting game is reversed and your kid ends up going to lower ranked schools in order to play college sports.

But you don't really need to be at #2 athletic ability level above for Ivy recruiting, do you? I think #3 level above with the better academic stats is generally who ends up there? Talking about men's football/basketball/baseball.

Lolz football basketball baseball not averaging 1450 at the ivys

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sorry what’s all this with MIT?? What sports? I just can’t see very serious athletes wanting to go to MIT…

Right. Primarily talking about kids who use athletics as a leg up in admissions bc MIT still has teams to fill. We're generally not talking about someone who wants to "go pro" or make a bunch of NIL money.

But it seems like there are kids in the middle, no? Serious about their sport, not just using it as a hook, and want to play, but also recognize that going pro is tough

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious to hear how ‘off’ academically/score wise from a school’s regular admission class a recruited athlete can be. A little? A lot? I assume it depends in part on the athletes overall rank.

Fwiw my dc is into his sport but doesn’t care about using it as a ‘hook’ to get into a ‘reach’ school (assuming he could, of course) so I’m asking for my own education, not because he’ll be trying to take anyone’s spot at HYP 😝

Depends on the school but my DC had offers from a top 15 D1 school, as well as highly selective LACs at D3 level, and they made no accommodations for what it took to be admitted. The D1 had only 1 "coach choice" slot and they were going to use it for my kid but you still had to be close to their numbers (mine was but everyone who applies there is). Ultimately, they chose not to go D1. But my experience -and DC went on many visits and had lots of offers- was that you had to have the academics for the top schools.

We have friends who went to hopkins and Penn, among others, and they needed top GPA and over 1500 SAT to even talk to the coaches.

I don’t think of either of those schools are serious sports schools.

[Anonymous]

^as

[Anonymous]

The real deal is as crazy as you think. If they - any school - any division - wants you - they will get you in. And you will get money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real deal is that the backup quarterback at the University of Texas makes more money than the president of UVA.

Yep - this is why parents are crazy about sports in this area. And don't get started on football in texas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The real deal is as crazy as you think. If they - any school - any division - wants you - they will get you in. And you will get money.

You clearly have no real idea what you're talking about, because that's simply not how it works. If you're playing football for Alabama, sure. If you're a squash player looking at Princeton, no.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The real deal is as crazy as you think. If they - any school - any division - wants you - they will get you in. And you will get money.

You clearly have no real idea what you're talking about, because that's simply not how it works. If you're playing football for Alabama, sure. If you're a squash player looking at Princeton, no.

How about football for Princeton, then? I know the admissions standards are a little relaxed, but my question is whether they ever get any more money than they would if they were not a recruited athlete...Or is it $80K either way.

[Anonymous]

At my kid's school, here is the breakdown of how athletic recruiting works.

1. Really high performing students getting into really good schools they would 'maybe' have gotten into otherwise.

2. Good students getting into schools they 'probably never' would have gotten into otherwise

3. Average to low students getting into schools
They would 'absolutely never, ever' have gotten into without sports.

4. Bad students who are asked to take a PG year so that they won't fail out of the school they never ever would have gotten into without sports.

There are spots reserved for athletes at top schools. It's a fact. It seems a little antithetical for academic institutions to make loopholes
For athletes, but they do and they are free to do so. They make the rules.

[Anonymous]

Tons of misinformation on this thread. Stay far away