PE class for kindergarteners - turning into a disaster

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I would just smile, say sorry we’ll talk to him and forget about it. Not your problem she’s not equipped to teach

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Anonymous wrote:I would just smile, say sorry we’ll talk to him and forget about it. Not your problem she’s not equipped to teach

Same. Sounds like the school needs to hire an extra gym teacher. I cannot believe you can raise PTA and sent to pay a parent volunteer for their time. That seem unethical

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Anonymous wrote:Send him to a real school. If he has ADHD, this school cannot handle it.

This.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s highly inappropriate of the parent volunteer PE teacher to talk about other children to other parents. I would politely let her know that you are willing to discuss any concerns she has but that you would appreciate her coming to you directly. If it happens again I would go to the school leader.

PS: this is why most schools don’t allow this! Teaching insider everyone, especially an untrained teacher!

Yeah, this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. It just shows how little people think of teachers, particularly PE teachers. They seem to think anyone can just step in to that role with no background and training. Guess what? It's harder than you think! FAFO in action.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds a lot like you're not getting your child the help he needs. Work on that, OP.

I am trying! I take him to speech, OT twice a week, see a therapist, saw a psychiatrist for meds, talk to the teacher, got a neuropsych eval. What else can I do if I"m not doing enough, pick him up early from school? I have talked to him over and over and over about PE. If the kids are doing leg lifts you do them too. I can't control him when he's there. I appreciate your kind comment that I am not getting the help that he needs but I am trying and spending all kinds of money i don't have.

None of the things you listed will teach the child to follow directions. Get the kid a 1:1 to work on basic skills. This won’t get better on it’s own.

This is a new diagnosis, right? You're doing a lot, and I'm sure it's overwhelming.

But I agree that getting a 1:1 would be helpful here.

The parent gossiping is completely in the wrong. But you've just got to keep working with your kid. He'll get there.

A 1:1 for a 5 year old with ADHD who won't program in some after school PE class?!?!?!?! This is absolutely nuts.

OP if you need childcare, find a SAHM who has a backyard and a black lab and pay them to pick your kid up. The school day is over, it is not fair to your son to ask for more programming. He is not a little adult.

For the ADHD, you need to push out the behavior so he learns to read on time. You don't need to fight (or medicate) him to be able to pay attention from 8am to 4pm literally tomorrow.

Why is the expectation that a SAHM wants to take care of someone else's kid? They are home for their kids. Stop being a user.

Yeah, quit telling people to "find a SAHM." Especially for a kid with ADHD who has had enough for the day.

I am a SAHM. You don't know people's financial situation. There are moms looking for work like that for extra pocket money because that is the only type of work they can do while they have kids. I said to ***PAY*** them not to bum off them.

That is NOT the only type of work they can do while they have kids. It’s the type they WANT to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Send him to a real school. If he has ADHD, this school cannot handle it.

This.

This is a public school. Which makes it all the more inappropriate for a parent to be doing this.

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Anonymous wrote:I would just smile, say sorry we’ll talk to him and forget about it. Not your problem she’s not equipped to teach

Same. Sounds like the school needs to hire an extra gym teacher. I cannot believe you can raise PTA and sent to pay a parent volunteer for their time. That seem unethical

OP can volunteer since she knows better and her child is the problme. By ignoring it and not dealing with your child you are creating issues for the entire class and teacher. Kids sometimes behave this way as they have real issues, other times its parenting.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d pull him from the class until you can teach him not to be disruptive. ADHD is never an excuse for poor behavior.

Sigh. You are clueless.

Op, your school should not have someone teaching without proper training. PE is a class and requires trained teachers. It should not be managed by a mom. She should be removed immediately if she is talking about your child to others.

My kids went to a small private elementary for a year and they had a crazy PE teacher who actually tortured the children with disabilities. This school had quite a few children with disabilities that affected their motor skills. I went to volunteer for a day and saw what she did and reported her. The administration had ignored what she did. She punished the kids who couldn't do certain activities every day.

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Anonymous wrote:Does he not have an IEP in place?


Why not skip PE (you said it was the end of the day) and just pick him up from school and go home?
Clearly it's not productive.

It sounds more of an extracirrucular than an actual class (Volunteer mom, PTA funded?). Skip it.

Op's child does not need to be removed. Op's child is not being disruptive enough for anyone to have this reaction. This is k and no one needs what this "teacher" is "teaching".

Op you made a mistake in not posting this in the SNs forum.

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Anonymous wrote:I would just smile, say sorry we’ll talk to him and forget about it. Not your problem she’s not equipped to teach

Same. Sounds like the school needs to hire an extra gym teacher. I cannot believe you can raise PTA and sent to pay a parent volunteer for their time. That seem unethical

OP can volunteer since she knows better and her child is the problme. By ignoring it and not dealing with your child you are creating issues for the entire class and teacher. Kids sometimes behave this way as they have real issues, other times its parenting.

Why do kindergartners need a very structured pe class at the end of the day? It is idiocy. I'd bet "teacher" mom has a girl.

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Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Yes, it is an appropiate ask.

You are really ignorant about child development. Prior poster I completely agree with you. It is insane for a school to be doing this to kindergartners.

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Anonymous wrote:It's normal for a boy that age not to program. He should be allowed to play quietly but the line can be drawn at disrupting the programming for the other kids

It’s not normal-it’s indicative of a problem OP isn’t willing to address.

You are wrong. Completely. Once again these are kinder aged children. No school should have a parent in charge of children, particularly young children, alone.

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Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Pay attention neurotransmitters isn’t a thing for one, but you already know that. Programming a kid is also not a thing, hopefully you also know that. Also arm circles are not downward facing dog.

Bottom line-if the child cannot pay attention and copy basic 1-step motor imitation in a group with peers by kindergarten it’s a HUGE issue. It indicates a lot of underlying deficits and if they don’t get fixed now you’ll have much bigger problems in 5 years. You do whatever you want but it’s an absolute disservice to your kid to let that continue unchecked.

You are hysterical. Absolutely crazy pants. This is the end of the day for a kindergartner boy with ADHD. Also people don't "get this fixed"! Nothing about this "indicates a lot of underlying deficits". The ignorance from these posts is outrageous.

Op don't even respond to these posts. You need to go to the school administration and address what is going on. The answer is not that your child gets removed. Having an untrained adult managing this is unacceptable and is possibly discriminatory to your child.

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Anonymous wrote:I’d also go to the principal. It is highly inappropriate for a teacher to gossip about your kid to other parents.

This. So unprofessional. Maybe because she isn’t a professional and shouldn’t be trying to teach an organized class to a bunch of 5 yr olds. Why not just call it supervised indoor recess and let the kids free play? This seems more age appropriate and in line with the skills of the volunteer parent.

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Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Pay attention neurotransmitters isn’t a thing for one, but you already know that. Programming a kid is also not a thing, hopefully you also know that. Also arm circles are not downward facing dog.

Bottom line-if the child cannot pay attention and copy basic 1-step motor imitation in a group with peers by kindergarten it’s a HUGE issue. It indicates a lot of underlying deficits and if they don’t get fixed now you’ll have much bigger problems in 5 years. You do whatever you want but it’s an absolute disservice to your kid to let that continue unchecked.

Of course pay attention neurotransmitters are a thing! Where do you think the 40-hour workweek came from? If an adult's productivity caps out between 40 and 60 hours a week, what is a kid's limit?

Kiddo does need to learn to follow directions, but not at age 4 or 5, and not after having already been in school for 6 hours.

I would bet a million dollars ADHD kiddo would program for weekend martial arts class because it would be more appealing to him and because his brain would have time to recover from the school week

You’re a nut job. God help any children you teach.

You're the nut. The 19th century schoolmarm with the ruler and the sour expression would think medicating and shaming a 5 year old to do PE is absolutely crazy-town. Honestly, its actually pretty much just emotional abuse, making this kid think something is wrong with him. HE'S A KID.

Thank you so much for this post.