PE class for kindergarteners - turning into a disaster

[Anonymous]

It's normal for a boy that age not to program. He should be allowed to play quietly but the line can be drawn at disrupting the programming for the other kids

[Anonymous]

Is this public or private? They are one eloper away from a lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's normal for a boy that age not to program. He should be allowed to play quietly but the line can be drawn at disrupting the programming for the other kids

It’s not normal-it’s indicative of a problem OP isn’t willing to address.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds a lot like you're not getting your child the help he needs. Work on that, OP.

I am trying! I take him to speech, OT twice a week, see a therapist, saw a psychiatrist for meds, talk to the teacher, got a neuropsych eval. What else can I do if I"m not doing enough, pick him up early from school? I have talked to him over and over and over about PE. If the kids are doing leg lifts you do them too. I can't control him when he's there. I appreciate your kind comment that I am not getting the help that he needs but I am trying and spending all kinds of money i don't have.

None of the things you listed will teach the child to follow directions. Get the kid a 1:1 to work on basic skills. This won’t get better on it’s own.

This is a new diagnosis, right? You're doing a lot, and I'm sure it's overwhelming.

But I agree that getting a 1:1 would be helpful here.

The parent gossiping is completely in the wrong. But you've just got to keep working with your kid. He'll get there.

[Anonymous]

Is he on medication?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Pay attention neurotransmitters isn’t a thing for one, but you already know that. Programming a kid is also not a thing, hopefully you also know that. Also arm circles are not downward facing dog.

Bottom line-if the child cannot pay attention and copy basic 1-step motor imitation in a group with peers by kindergarten it’s a HUGE issue. It indicates a lot of underlying deficits and if they don’t get fixed now you’ll have much bigger problems in 5 years. You do whatever you want but it’s an absolute disservice to your kid to let that continue unchecked.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds a lot like you're not getting your child the help he needs. Work on that, OP.

I am trying! I take him to speech, OT twice a week, see a therapist, saw a psychiatrist for meds, talk to the teacher, got a neuropsych eval. What else can I do if I"m not doing enough, pick him up early from school? I have talked to him over and over and over about PE. If the kids are doing leg lifts you do them too. I can't control him when he's there. I appreciate your kind comment that I am not getting the help that he needs but I am trying and spending all kinds of money i don't have.

None of the things you listed will teach the child to follow directions. Get the kid a 1:1 to work on basic skills. This won’t get better on it’s own.

This is a new diagnosis, right? You're doing a lot, and I'm sure it's overwhelming.

But I agree that getting a 1:1 would be helpful here.

The parent gossiping is completely in the wrong. But you've just got to keep working with your kid. He'll get there.

A 1:1 for a 5 year old with ADHD who won't program in some after school PE class?!?!?!?! This is absolutely nuts.

OP if you need childcare, find a SAHM who has a backyard and a black lab and pay them to pick your kid up. The school day is over, it is not fair to your son to ask for more programming. He is not a little adult.

For the ADHD, you need to push out the behavior so he learns to read on time. You don't need to fight (or medicate) him to be able to pay attention from 8am to 4pm literally tomorrow.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Pay attention neurotransmitters isn’t a thing for one, but you already know that. Programming a kid is also not a thing, hopefully you also know that. Also arm circles are not downward facing dog.

Bottom line-if the child cannot pay attention and copy basic 1-step motor imitation in a group with peers by kindergarten it’s a HUGE issue. It indicates a lot of underlying deficits and if they don’t get fixed now you’ll have much bigger problems in 5 years. You do whatever you want but it’s an absolute disservice to your kid to let that continue unchecked.

Of course pay attention neurotransmitters are a thing! Where do you think the 40-hour workweek came from? If an adult's productivity caps out between 40 and 60 hours a week, what is a kid's limit?

Kiddo does need to learn to follow directions, but not at age 4 or 5, and not after having already been in school for 6 hours.

I would bet a million dollars ADHD kiddo would program for weekend martial arts class because it would be more appealing to him and because his brain would have time to recover from the school week

[Anonymous]

"Confront" sounds very aggressive.

I guess if she was a friend, I would definitely consider sharing the diagnosis. If she were an actual teacher rather than a volunteer, she would know. It may ease her frustration a bit, to know that he has a medical condition, rather, than being purposefully disobedient.

At the least, I'd discuss this with the principal. Don't blame the volunteer "teacher." Just say that it really isn't an appropriate environment for your son and ask them what they recommend.

I'd post this on the special needs board. Folks will have more sympathy and maybe some strategies. I agree with others to consider whether this last hour of school is necessary. It is possible a babysitter who can just take him to a park to run around might be a better fit for him now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's normal for a boy that age not to program. He should be allowed to play quietly but the line can be drawn at disrupting the programming for the other kids

It’s not normal-it’s indicative of a problem OP isn’t willing to address.

From what authoritative source did you hear it is abnormal for a 4 or 5 year old to run around and play? Or that a 4 or 5 year old should have a 6+ hour attention span?

[Anonymous]

Get an IEP and the school will get the proper support and additional teachers as needed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It sounds a lot like you're not getting your child the help he needs. Work on that, OP.

I am trying! I take him to speech, OT twice a week, see a therapist, saw a psychiatrist for meds, talk to the teacher, got a neuropsych eval. What else can I do if I"m not doing enough, pick him up early from school? I have talked to him over and over and over about PE. If the kids are doing leg lifts you do them too. I can't control him when he's there. I appreciate your kind comment that I am not getting the help that he needs but I am trying and spending all kinds of money i don't have.

None of the things you listed will teach the child to follow directions. Get the kid a 1:1 to work on basic skills. This won’t get better on it’s own.

This is a new diagnosis, right? You're doing a lot, and I'm sure it's overwhelming.

But I agree that getting a 1:1 would be helpful here.

The parent gossiping is completely in the wrong. But you've just got to keep working with your kid. He'll get there.

A 1:1 for a 5 year old with ADHD who won't program in some after school PE class?!?!?!?! This is absolutely nuts.

OP if you need childcare, find a SAHM who has a backyard and a black lab and pay them to pick your kid up. The school day is over, it is not fair to your son to ask for more programming. He is not a little adult.

For the ADHD, you need to push out the behavior so he learns to read on time. You don't need to fight (or medicate) him to be able to pay attention from 8am to 4pm literally tomorrow.

If the kid can’t follow directions then reading should be the last thing you worry about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is insane that this random mom is allowed to “teach.” I would go to the principal and explain that this is a train wreck and she is now relating info about your kid and ask whether she is subject to FERPA, and if not, why is she allowed to teach.

And let me add, PE is EXACTLY where young children should burn off their energy and run around. Assuming he isn’t eloping, pushing other kids, etc — just let the freaking kid run around the room.

He's not bothering anyone. He's just running around the tree with the other ADHD kid in the class, they chase each other, while the rest of the kids are standing in a circle doing arm circles or leg kicks or whatever. He gets in trouble for now following directions and listening. I think that this volunteer (I believe she gets a small stipend actually) gives him a grade because on his report card there is a grade for PE.

You are doing your child a HUGE disservice by not teaching them to follow directions and writing this off as oh it’s not bothering anyone.

I am the most authoritative parent on this forum. The kid needs to program to learn to read, write and do arithmetic. At the end of they day all of his "pay attention" neurotransmitters are gone. This is not an age-appropriate ask. Back in the day when kids got their knuckles hit with a ruler for not paying attention education did not start until age 7 and recess was unstructured. Nobody was asking a 5 year old to do downward facing dog in 1900. Modern education has gone off the rails.

Pay attention neurotransmitters isn’t a thing for one, but you already know that. Programming a kid is also not a thing, hopefully you also know that. Also arm circles are not downward facing dog.

Bottom line-if the child cannot pay attention and copy basic 1-step motor imitation in a group with peers by kindergarten it’s a HUGE issue. It indicates a lot of underlying deficits and if they don’t get fixed now you’ll have much bigger problems in 5 years. You do whatever you want but it’s an absolute disservice to your kid to let that continue unchecked.

Of course pay attention neurotransmitters are a thing! Where do you think the 40-hour workweek came from? If an adult's productivity caps out between 40 and 60 hours a week, what is a kid's limit?

Kiddo does need to learn to follow directions, but not at age 4 or 5, and not after having already been in school for 6 hours.

I would bet a million dollars ADHD kiddo would program for weekend martial arts class because it would be more appealing to him and because his brain would have time to recover from the school week

You’re a nut job. God help any children you teach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our school has a PE class for kindergarteners that the PTA pays for, so it's basically a mom who has no background in teaching that volunteers to do it. In my case, it's one of my friends that Ive known a few years. My son turns out to be a little bit of a hellion in this PE class. He doesn't listen, runs around playing and doesn't do the arm circles or whatever the rest of the kids are doing. A few weeks ago he was diagnosed with ADHD. I had him evaluated because he struggled to sit still on the rug during class, although it's improved over the course of the year. PE is just getting worse though. Anyway, now the PE teacher is avoiding me and telling the other parents that he's not listening during class. Should I confront her and tell her about his diagnosis? I have been hesitant because I felt like it wasn't her business. Can

I don’t get it. PTA is “paying” for this gym class, yet some random mom is “volunteering” to teach it? This makes no sense. If it is part of the school day, they need to provide a paid and professional teacher to teach it. If it is a volunteer, then call it a supervised recess hour and let the kids play. How is your child in other classes OP?