If fired, where to move?

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Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

I thought OP was looking at this due to affordability if he lost his job. I didn’t see any mention of fleeing the politics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

I thought OP was looking at this due to affordability if he lost his job. I didn’t see any mention of fleeing the politics.

If it wasn’t then they would just be looking to move somewhere else within the US.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What about visas? You can’t just live wherever you want.

There are typically pretty simple work arounds. People make this out to be a lot more difficult than it is.

Don’t be ridiculous. it is very very difficult in MOST places. And then the places where it’s slightly easier are not even places people want to move.

My best friend moved to Valencia a few years ago. Best decision of her life - they are LOVING it. Visas no problem; she speaks fluent Spanish; their life is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:Ugh, OP is probably a USAID or USAID-adjacent person getting laid off by Musk. If that's the case, I'm sure OP has considered all this.

Panama and Portugal both offer visas for new residents with pretty low income requirements. Given the number of old American retirees in Costa Rica and Panama, it can't be too complicated to figure out residency.

Panama is hot and very humid, and much more Caribbean culturally than Central American. Panama is a bit of a melting pot, which is kind of interesting. Copa is the national airline and makes traveling to other places in the region (or to the U S.) easy. The food is OK. There's more seafood than most LatAm countries have.

Panama is fine, but I would probably go to Portugal over Panama for the cultural attractions, food, and travel.

If OP was USAID or USAID-adjacent, one would hope they wouldn't need to come here for advice. If they do, that's just more justification for cutting back hard on their current employees.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

Yeah but feels worse when it’s your own politics that are crazy. When you live in another country, it somehow doesn’t feel as bad especially if you don’t plan to stay long term. I say that as a foreigner living here in the US. I at least know that I will leave one day.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

Yeah but feels worse when it’s your own politics that are crazy. When you live in another country, it somehow doesn’t feel as bad especially if you don’t plan to stay long term. I say that as a foreigner living here in the US. I at least know that I will leave one day.

That makes no sense. to uproot your entire life because you are unhappy with a political situation just to move to a place that has one that is even worse. Even if it’s temporary, so is the current president so that argument doesn’t work.

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Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

But at least she doesn't have to worry about healthcare being unemployed.

I have Canadian coworkers, living in Canada, and they made some comment about how crazy the US was that they don't offer paid maternity leave or free healthcare, especially for children and pregnant women. How's that for prolife?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

Yeah but feels worse when it’s your own politics that are crazy. When you live in another country, it somehow doesn’t feel as bad especially if you don’t plan to stay long term. I say that as a foreigner living here in the US. I at least know that I will leave one day.

That makes no sense. to uproot your entire life because you are unhappy with a political situation just to move to a place that has one that is even worse. Even if it’s temporary, so is the current president so that argument doesn’t work.

DP.. my spouse is from the UK, and while we are staying put for now, they think the writing's on the wall regarding the US no longer being a two party system, but rather a R MAGA party take over. We have talked extensively about moving to the UK, and the talk is getting more serious. Thankfully, our kids our college, almost college aged, so we don't have to worry about k-12 schooling.

We would buy private insurance if we were to move there which is still a heck of a lot cheaper than here.

[Anonymous]

Just move to someplace cheap in the Midwest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Digital nomad visa is your best bet but most are one year (though you can try to renew); Ecuador is 2 years.

I would look into Argentina and Uruguay as well esp for private international schools.

The best private international schools in South America, hands down, are in Sao Paulo. And an investment visa is easy. Buy a property worth USD 175,000 in Sao Paulo and you are good to go. Half of that if you buy it up in the north of the country.

I work with affluent, educated Brazilians who would rather have good paying jobs in flyover country in the US than live in Brazil.

Really? My Brazilian friends are all MDs and engineers who have trained in the US and would much prefer Brazil.

I would choose Brazil or Argentina. I speak both Portuguese and Spanish and have spend significant time in both countries. Interesting how many ex-pats and retirees are there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

But at least she doesn't have to worry about healthcare being unemployed.

I have Canadian coworkers, living in Canada, and they made some comment about how crazy the US was that they don't offer paid maternity leave or free healthcare, especially for children and pregnant women. How's that for prolife?

Having children is a choice; ergo , you pay. Cancer is not.

[Anonymous]

India

Reverse the migration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Digital nomad visa is your best bet but most are one year (though you can try to renew); Ecuador is 2 years.

I would look into Argentina and Uruguay as well esp for private international schools.

The best private international schools in South America, hands down, are in Sao Paulo. And an investment visa is easy. Buy a property worth USD 175,000 in Sao Paulo and you are good to go. Half of that if you buy it up in the north of the country.

I work with affluent, educated Brazilians who would rather have good paying jobs in flyover country in the US than live in Brazil.

Really? My Brazilian friends are all MDs and engineers who have trained in the US and would much prefer Brazil.

I would choose Brazil or Argentina. I speak both Portuguese and Spanish and have spend significant time in both countries. Interesting how many ex-pats and retirees are there.

Again, you are failing to take into account the political situations. Have you even googled what the political situation is in Brazil? maybe check out what amnesty international says about it. How is this better?

[Anonymous]

Still waiting for those Dems to leave the country. They don't seem to be in a hurry now that it's time to put your money where your mouth is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Digital nomad visa is your best bet but most are one year (though you can try to renew); Ecuador is 2 years.

I would look into Argentina and Uruguay as well esp for private international schools.

The best private international schools in South America, hands down, are in Sao Paulo. And an investment visa is easy. Buy a property worth USD 175,000 in Sao Paulo and you are good to go. Half of that if you buy it up in the north of the country.

I work with affluent, educated Brazilians who would rather have good paying jobs in flyover country in the US than live in Brazil.

Really? My Brazilian friends are all MDs and engineers who have trained in the US and would much prefer Brazil.

I would choose Brazil or Argentina. I speak both Portuguese and Spanish and have spend significant time in both countries. Interesting how many ex-pats and retirees are there.

Again, you are failing to take into account the political situations. Have you even googled what the political situation is in Brazil? maybe check out what amnesty international says about it. How is this better?

You don't think people who have spent signification time there know whet they are talking about? Amnesty Int'l is very partisan. Would not trust them and I certainly would not trust the poster referencing them. I'll bet you are a lefty.