If fired, where to move?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about healthcare and insurance?
Puerto Rico. Key West or somewhere there. It's not the bad Florida.

Key West is incredibly expensive and they don't have good healthcare.

[Anonymous]

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European here. Ah, here come the "I can live abroad so easily" threads.

No. You can't.

Your list tells me you haven't thought ANYTHING through. That sort of mentality doesn't bode well for living abroad, especially if you're not even going to bother to learn the language, and if, to you, the places you listed are interchangeable. The ignorance and entitlement are MIND-BOGGLING.

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This +100....another European here who actually has dual citizenship along with DH...but our two working kids with significant others/live/work here in the US. DH and I always discussed never wanting to retire in our EU country....too far away from kids/future grandkids.

Even having foreign citizenship I would not consider a full move abroad. My elderly mother also has dual citizenship and while agrees it's crazy times...still does not say anything about moving back to her home country -- and she could...she has a house and citizenship...but she'd be living all alone with both her children and grandchildren here in the US.

Another thing...there is a huge housing crisis in many European countries -- too many foreigners coming in and making rents go sky high. We have properties in said European country and I'd honestly rather charge lower rent to actual citizens of the country than get what I could from a foreigner (sometimes double what I could).

On the bright side....my elderly mother was actually thinking of selling her home....maybe we can get a lot more money for it from some crazy American who is desperate to move abroad.

It sounds like you have good reasons to stay here given your family ties. There is definitely a housing crisis in some European countries (but certainly not all), but that doesn’t mean they would not be cheaper compared to DC. Earning a DC salary but paying expenses at local rates in those countries might make all the difference.

There are challenges and hurdles to moving abroad but millions of people move country every year so it’s obviously not impossible. They’re not all rocket scientists! I say this having lived in four different countries.

The tricky bit is probably figuring out which countries are feasible in terms of visas and also meet the needs of your children, especially schooling. If they’re younger, it is generally easier.

Just throwing these out there and no idea if possible. Thailand? I certainly know people who moved there for the lower cost of living but they didn’t have children. Apparently the healthcare can be excellent. But it’s a lot further and maybe the time difference would be tricky for your wife’s work. Bali? A lot of foreigners live there but I’m not sure about the calibre (sometimes cheap places attract deadbeats and this could be one). Chile? Middle income country but better if you speak Spanish. Malta? English speaking.

[Anonymous]

There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
European here. Ah, here come the "I can live abroad so easily" threads.

No. You can't.

Your list tells me you haven't thought ANYTHING through. That sort of mentality doesn't bode well for living abroad, especially if you're not even going to bother to learn the language, and if, to you, the places you listed are interchangeable. The ignorance and entitlement are MIND-BOGGLING.

This! ˆˆˆ

This +100....another European here who actually has dual citizenship along with DH...but our two working kids with significant others/live/work here in the US. DH and I always discussed never wanting to retire in our EU country....too far away from kids/future grandkids.

Even having foreign citizenship I would not consider a full move abroad. My elderly mother also has dual citizenship and while agrees it's crazy times...still does not say anything about moving back to her home country -- and she could...she has a house and citizenship...but she'd be living all alone with both her children and grandchildren here in the US.

Another thing...there is a huge housing crisis in many European countries -- too many foreigners coming in and making rents go sky high. We have properties in said European country and I'd honestly rather charge lower rent to actual citizens of the country than get what I could from a foreigner (sometimes double what I could).

On the bright side....my elderly mother was actually thinking of selling her home....maybe we can get a lot more money for it from some crazy American who is desperate to move abroad.

It sounds like you have good reasons to stay here given your family ties. There is definitely a housing crisis in some European countries (but certainly not all), but that doesn’t mean they would not be cheaper compared to DC. Earning a DC salary but paying expenses at local rates in those countries might make all the difference.

There are challenges and hurdles to moving abroad but millions of people move country every year so it’s obviously not impossible. They’re not all rocket scientists! I say this having lived in four different countries.

The tricky bit is probably figuring out which countries are feasible in terms of visas and also meet the needs of your children, especially schooling. If they’re younger, it is generally easier.

Just throwing these out there and no idea if possible. Thailand? I certainly know people who moved there for the lower cost of living but they didn’t have children. Apparently the healthcare can be excellent. But it’s a lot further and maybe the time difference would be tricky for your wife’s work. Bali? A lot of foreigners live there but I’m not sure about the calibre (sometimes cheap places attract deadbeats and this could be one). Chile? Middle income country but better if you speak Spanish. Malta? English speaking.

There may well be a housing crisis but even expensive countries, like Scandinavia, NL or Germany, have cheaper rent than the DC area. And in many countries higher ed, including professional degrees, is for free or a fraction of US. Some countries have university college where instruction is mostly in English and have the students are native, the other foreigners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

Nobody said the grass is always greener. Some people may be happier in another country while others may not. People have different priorities and outlooks. Believe it or not, some people come to the US but then decide to return to their home countries. And vice versa.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There are so many things we take for granted as Americans.

We moved out of the country for 3 years for my husbands work. At the time we had 2 young children.

As bad as many would like to believe we have it here-You really have no idea. Case in point-some of you are literally recommending moving to countries with crazier government systems than we have. (reminds me of the thread where people were moving for abortion rights and talking about moving to places with tighter abortion policies!).

I don’t think you fully understand how scary it is with young children when they get sick and you are scrambling because the healthcare system is totally different and you are desperately trying to find someone who speaks english. It’s those every day things that you really have to think about. That being said, everything is easier if you don’t have a family so it changes things.

But really, you guys need to stop with the “anyplace is better than here” attitude because it’s simply not true. There are places far far worse than here.

This. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. And for those who want to move abroad for universal/free healthcare -- nothing in life is free.

Here in the US you don't have to wait and travel far for the simple removal of say a benign cyst. Where I'm from - sure, great universal/free healthcare - but a cousin who had a benign cyst had to wait many months and travel 4 hours to a hospital that would remove the cyst. Meanwhile there is a supposedly a great hospital just 20 minutes away from where he lives.

My old college roommate moved to Canada. 1. when you are in need of a non emergent surgery (in her case a surgery she needed on her knee but it wasn’t an “emergency”) you get put on a waiting list. you have no control over who your surgeon is. She got her surgery after a year. 2. apparently finding a pediatrician is like the hunger games. There are simply not enough. She was lucky and found a pediatrician when her child was born but then he retired. She spent so many hours calling places and they weren’t accepting any new patients. It was an actual crisis. She eventually did find one. If you think free healthcare is everything you are imagining you are very wrong. It’s great when you have an emergency or a chronic illness. Not so much for any other circumstance.

Health systems work differently in other countries and not finding a pediatrician isn’t necessarily a big deal. In many places, you take children to GPs or family doctors, not pediatricians. In many countries, there is some form of health insurance. Please don’t assume everyone relies on free healthcare.

[Anonymous]

I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

[Anonymous]

Thailand has great healthcare - and cheap. Jordan too. Dubai is easy to move to but since many expats are living extremely well, it can be a little bit sad to try and be frugal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about visas? You can’t just live wherever you want.

There are typically pretty simple work arounds. People make this out to be a lot more difficult than it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have dual citizenship and live in Austria. Its been a life saver to live here now, but dont move abroad just to leave Trumpland. Move abroad to build a new life. Unless you plan to full integrate into a place like Austria you will always have 1 foot left in the US. Its hard moving abroad and it only works if you commit 1000%.

Another dual citizen here and I fully agree. Moving is a huge decision and hugely stressful, not something to be done on a whim. Each country has complex pluses and minuses. People who want to move to Thailand because the politics here are crazy are off their rockers…

This is what i’m saying. I feel like they just assume any political situation has to be better than this one. It’s like they don’t even google to look at what it’s like politically in the places they are thinking of moving to. it’s wild.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What about visas? You can’t just live wherever you want.

There are typically pretty simple work arounds. People make this out to be a lot more difficult than it is.

Don’t be ridiculous. it is very very difficult in MOST places. And then the places where it’s slightly easier are not even places people want to move.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why not just go to a southern state?

Please no... We don't want you.