SEC CBA - how long?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

And it will take a few years, look at the fiasco that was our new office. All that effort bidding the contract only for the whole thing to fall apart after a few years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

The budget is flat. They’ve cut our benefits and frozen hiring. Where is the money coming from for the new office space. Wasn’t the whole point of DOGE to reduce costs?

They will fire all probationary employees.
Problem solved.

We actually don't have that many probationary employees due to the hiring freeze that started at the end of 2023. Some, but not many.

[Anonymous]

Just reset to pre-pandemic posture and everyone wins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just reset to pre-pandemic posture and everyone wins

That would be best case scenario for the long term, but might be a pipe dream.

[Anonymous]

We are in the current building until 2028 and there is no additional space to lease at HQ. Most of the regions have likewise downsized. They can try to get more space in a new building but they need money for that — money that is unlikely to appear in the budget. This is where DOGE can’t have it both ways. They can’t require everyone to come in and save in leasing costs.

I have no idea what Union is doing. Of course NTEU is going to sue when agreements are broken, but that will take time.

And to the people who think Congress will pass legislation shortly, that’s funny. Unless it is all tied to the budget, it isn’t happening. And even tied to the budget, it will get watered down.

I expect as BU to be ordered back in within three months.

[Anonymous]

+3. I think 3 months is the most likely outcome here. It feels like a pipe dream to still only be able to work one day a week when GS employees are virtually all going back full time. Plus management in an empty building is no bueno.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+3. I think 3 months is the most likely outcome here. It feels like a pipe dream to still only be able to work one day a week when GS employees are virtually all going back full time. Plus management in an empty building is no bueno.

What changes between now and two months to cause all BU employees to be called back in? Why not do it now while everybody else is?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:+3. I think 3 months is the most likely outcome here. It feels like a pipe dream to still only be able to work one day a week when GS employees are virtually all going back full time. Plus management in an empty building is no bueno.

What changes between now and two months to cause all BU employees to be called back in? Why not do it now while everybody else is?

Are you a lawyer? Are you really unaware of how SEC works? Everything is happening very fast, and the interim RTO directive is dealing with the lowest hanging fruit first. It doesn't mean that they aren't looking to tackle the bigger headache (looking for loopholes in the CBA), in coordination with OGC and OHR. Perhaps even with further deliberation nothing changes (not impossible), but no one is doing themselves any favor by obstinately holding on to the fantasy that this "interim" action is in fact a final one. If only to safeguard from disappointment, brace for potential (likely) further announcements.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]+3. I think 3 months is the most likely outcome here. It feels like a pipe dream to still only be able to work one day a week when GS employees are virtually all going back full time. Plus management in an empty building is no bueno. [/quote]


What changes between now and two months to cause all BU employees to be called back in? Why not do it now while everybody else is?[/quote]

Are you a lawyer? Are you really unaware of how SEC works? Everything is happening very fast, and the interim RTO directive is dealing with the lowest hanging fruit first. It doesn't mean that they aren't looking to tackle the bigger headache (looking for loopholes in the CBA), in coordination with OGC and OHR. Perhaps even with further deliberation nothing changes (not impossible), but no one is doing themselves any favor by obstinately holding on to the fantasy that this "interim" action is in fact a final one. If only to safeguard from disappointment, brace for potential (likely) further announcements.[/quote]


Yes, I’m a lawyer and have been though many administrations. This is completely different so we are all just guessing here unless someone has some inside information on the management side.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

And it will take a few years, look at the fiasco that was our new office. All that effort bidding the contract only for the whole thing to fall apart after a few years.

I don’t think this can wait under the current circumstances.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

And it will take a few years, look at the fiasco that was our new office. All that effort bidding the contract only for the whole thing to fall apart after a few years.

I don’t think this can wait under the current circumstances.

Yes because the GSA is going to be able to move so quickly . . . NOT!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

And it will take a few years, look at the fiasco that was our new office. All that effort bidding the contract only for the whole thing to fall apart after a few years.

I don’t think this can wait under the current circumstances.

Yes because the GSA is going to be able to move so quickly . . . NOT!

NP and I think the fastest option is a reconfiguration of the existing space. Maybe long rows of desks or something which doesn't work well when people are on calls. Aside from that though the agency doesn't have the money to reconfigure the space.

Seems like the most they can do is either exempt certain groups or have people alternate days.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We gave up a third of our office space last year. There is no room to put everyone and budget has been cut. I don’t see how they bring everyone back full time. Also Atkins doesn’t want to burn the place down like some of the other appointees. This isn’t just a CBA matter.

I think they are planning to get more office space over the next few years, and then push for RTO when the current CBA expires.

And it will take a few years, look at the fiasco that was our new office. All that effort bidding the contract only for the whole thing to fall apart after a few years.

I don’t think this can wait under the current circumstances.

Yes because the GSA is going to be able to move so quickly . . . NOT!

NP and I think the fastest option is a reconfiguration of the existing space. Maybe long rows of desks or something which doesn't work well when people are on calls. Aside from that though the agency doesn't have the money to reconfigure the space.

Seems like the most they can do is either exempt certain groups or have people alternate days.

Put two or more people in each office and cubicle. No one needs a private office or cubicle.