Is it just me or has the skiing accident and death rate gone up?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know. But last January my DH's close friend messed up his knee skiing so badly that he was on crutches and had a weird thing around his leg for months. Many months. His wife wants to ski, so they are back on the slopes this month.

We are getting older, so more of our cohort is having knee injuries. If you ski long enough, you will eventually need to get an ACL/MCL/meniscus surgery due to a tear. Sooooooo many of my friends in their 40s are getting the surgery after skiing 20-30 years.

Its why I still snowboard in my mid 40s. I've been doing it for 30+ years and I'm a LOT less likely to have a knee injury that requires surgery because I'm strapped to one board. Lots of skiiers with bad knees eventually take up snowboarding in their 40s-60s if they want to keep riding.

That said, snowboarders are more likely to encounter ankle, wrist, and collarbone breaks relative to skiers, IIRC.

I've been skiing for 36 years and have never had knee issues. How are they busting their knees out? Bad crashes?

If you end up needing knee surgery, its de facto a "bad crash"

That said, not all of them involve high rates of speed. They catch an edge, poor landing after an unexpected jump/bump, fall awkwardly, etc.

Just read r/skiing....tons of posts by skiers:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ACL/comments/1b8uwvs/full_aclmcl_will_i_ski_again/
https://www.reddit.com/r/skiing/comments/qx2fb4/learning_to_ski_after_acl_mcl_reconstruction/

Me personally? I know about 10 people who have had it in the past decade. They were all late 30s to late 40s, had been skiing for decades. It will eventually get you if you ski enough. Great surgeons in UT and CO who specialize in this. I had multiple friends travel out to Aspen for their surgeries....the best in the world: https://www.thesteadmanclinic.com/about-our-clinic

PP here:
Also read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/ACL/comments/1cf94i7/switching_to_snowboard_from_skiing_after_acl/

Money quote:

Lifetime skier, 2 time ACL tear-er (both skiing), and professional Ski Patroller at a big western resort here 🙋🏼‍♀️

I see skier and snowboarder injuries all day every day— beyond major traumas that can happen pretty equally to anyone, the skier specific stuff I see is always knees, and snowboarders always break their wrists, dislocate their shoulders, or fracture their humerus.

I’d take a broken bone over a torn knee ligament all day any day (way more painful at the time, but heals much faster), but shoulder dislocations are a serious injury with long term affects too. The unfortunate rule is if you dislocate your shoulder once, it WILL happen again, if you don’t have surgery. Shoulder labrum surgery is a big deal, and a long recovery too.

I'll stick to snowboarding, tyvm.

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Anonymous wrote:I feel like I keep seeing people have awful accidents and dying this year while skiing. More than usual?
My family are all skiers but I'm starting to get really concerned.
today, Lynn Ban - and in the northeast where we are, quite a few kids have died from accidents.
Anyone else seeing this uptick?

"Men Die More, Snowboarding Is Safer, and More Surprising Insights From Lifetime Ski Study" https://gearjunkie.com/winter/ski-helmet-safety-expert-insights

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Anonymous wrote:Good article “ Studies show that helmets reduced non-serious head injuries, such as minor concussions, by nearly 70 percent in the 17 seasons between 1995 and 2012. But to Shealy’s amazement, there was no change in the number of fatalities. “The question became,”he says, “Why aren’t helmets saving people’s lives?”
From the somber task of reviewing more than 2,000 death certificates, Shealy knows that of the average 45 people who die skiing each year, the average fatality is a male traveling at high speed on a blue run who collides with a fixed object (usually a tree).”


https://www.skimag.com/gear/50-year-stud-on-helmets-and-injury-prevention/

Doesn't your brain move inside your skull causing injuries even with a helmet?

Absolutely.

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early 50s lifelong skier here with a family ski house who is tapping out. Over the holidays I had what wasn’t even a bad fall on a beautiful day out west on a blue run and completely tore my acl and also tore my meniscus on both sides. I’m currently post op and on crutches with a full leg brace for 6 weeks and in pt for 9 mos. It’s been a painful, frustrating, expensive and super disruptive experience that is months from wrapping up. One of my teens also has a ski injury right now. Be careful out there!

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Anonymous wrote:I think it might be you. I cannot name a single skiing accident this year, but when my son was skiing a lot, I was hyper aware of any news report about them.

Isn't there a phenomenon for this? I swear there is. When something applies to you, you pay more attention to it, even subconsciously. Like when you buy a new car and suddenly you see the same make & model care everywhere and it seems like everyone bought the same car.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it might be you. I cannot name a single skiing accident this year, but when my son was skiing a lot, I was hyper aware of any news report about them.

Isn't there a phenomenon for this? I swear there is. When something applies to you, you pay more attention to it, even subconsciously. Like when you buy a new car and suddenly you see the same make & model care everywhere and it seems like everyone bought the same car.

recency bias?

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Things are crowded and some places are badly designed.
My teen was badly injured last year at a junction between a green slope and a black —someone coming fast down the black skied right into her and then kept going. Her ski sliced through her leg and luckily missed her artery or her meniscus but it was still a long recovery and may never be totally right again. It could have been much worse if the ski had come up 6 inches higher. I was absolutely astounded the ski cut through her thick ski pants and so much flesh.

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We recently went for a ski weekend to 7 springs and in just those 2 days we saw the ski payroll transport 2 diff skiers. In sum, it seems like injuries are waaaay up from what I saw in person

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Anonymous wrote:I think it might be you. I cannot name a single skiing accident this year, but when my son was skiing a lot, I was hyper aware of any news report about them.

Isn't there a phenomenon for this? I swear there is. When something applies to you, you pay more attention to it, even subconsciously. Like when you buy a new car and suddenly you see the same make & model care everywhere and it seems like everyone bought the same car.

Observer bias.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think it might be you. I cannot name a single skiing accident this year, but when my son was skiing a lot, I was hyper aware of any news report about them.

Isn't there a phenomenon for this? I swear there is. When something applies to you, you pay more attention to it, even subconsciously. Like when you buy a new car and suddenly you see the same make & model care everywhere and it seems like everyone bought the same car.

Observer bias.

That's it! thanks for chiming in with the right type of bias.

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A 12 year old from mass, a college student from William college, and the actress from bling empire were all wearing helmets and died in accidents since December. I’m sure there is more but coming across 3 in my news feed is a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:I think it might be you. I cannot name a single skiing accident this year, but when my son was skiing a lot, I was hyper aware of any news report about them.

Isn't there a phenomenon for this? I swear there is. When something applies to you, you pay more attention to it, even subconsciously. Like when you buy a new car and suddenly you see the same make & model care everywhere and it seems like everyone bought the same car.

It’s confirmation bias.

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Anonymous wrote:A 12 year old from mass, a college student from William college, and the actress from bling empire were all wearing helmets and died in accidents since December. I’m sure there is more but coming across 3 in my news feed is a lot.

Let me remind you how your news feed works. You click on “drones terrorizing nj skies” and then another article about drones pops up. You click on that article, and now the algorithm knows you are interested in drones.

[Anonymous]

POV: you just ruined your life but this is the most male attention you’ve had in months

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFXQguPx0KR/?igsh=Mzh4bnBjZG1iNTl3

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:POV: you just ruined your life but this is the most male attention you’ve had in months

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFXQguPx0KR/?igsh=Mzh4bnBjZG1iNTl3

Lame