VCU vs JMU vs VT for Business

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

I honestly think you are making shit up. I have never seen a company not based in VA (are they hiring kids for an office in VA) that "only" hires graduates from the top 6 technical schools in the country...and the 7th school is Virginia Tech.

No Perdue, UIUC, UT Austin, Michigan, UCSD, Cornell, the list goes on. VT isn't even in the top 30 only looking at STEM.

DP. Are you seriously this ignorant? VT is ranked #13 for engineering undergrad schools. Maybe do a little research before spouting off.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

It’s trickle down from UVA and WM getting impossible for many kids to get into. In addition, the increased expense of college has made many parents focus on the marketability of degrees rather than classic liberal arts. Tech has always had a vocational focus and many of its majors were specifically designed in conjunction with industry. I’m thinking of construction management, hospitality management, the entire engineering college, and many of the agriculture majors.

So, you're clearly not familiar with the entire College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT, and the wealth of majors available that have nothing to do with STEM or "vocational."
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

I honestly think you are making shit up. I have never seen a company not based in VA (are they hiring kids for an office in VA) that "only" hires graduates from the top 6 technical schools in the country...and the 7th school is Virginia Tech.

No Perdue, UIUC, UT Austin, Michigan, UCSD, Cornell, the list goes on. VT isn't even in the top 30 only looking at STEM.

DP. Are you seriously this ignorant? VT is ranked #13 for engineering undergrad schools. Maybe do a little research before spouting off.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

So by those rankings, a company that skips
UIUC
Michigan
Purdue
Cornell
Texas
Princeton
Johns Hopkins

And recruits at VT

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

It’s trickle down from UVA and WM getting impossible for many kids to get into. In addition, the increased expense of college has made many parents focus on the marketability of degrees rather than classic liberal arts. Tech has always had a vocational focus and many of its majors were specifically designed in conjunction with industry. I’m thinking of construction management, hospitality management, the entire engineering college, and many of the agriculture majors.

So, you're clearly not familiar with the entire College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT, and the wealth of majors available that have nothing to do with STEM or "vocational."
DP

I went there so I’m very familiar with all of the colleges. those liberal arts majors are not driving the increased demand.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

I honestly think you are making shit up. I have never seen a company not based in VA (are they hiring kids for an office in VA) that "only" hires graduates from the top 6 technical schools in the country...and the 7th school is Virginia Tech.

No Perdue, UIUC, UT Austin, Michigan, UCSD, Cornell, the list goes on. VT isn't even in the top 30 only looking at STEM.

DP. Are you seriously this ignorant? VT is ranked #13 for engineering undergrad schools. Maybe do a little research before spouting off.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/engineering-doctorate?_sort=rank&_sortDirection=asc

+1. but then the PP couldn't even spell Purdue so of course they are "ignorant"

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

I honestly think you are making shit up. I have never seen a company not based in VA (are they hiring kids for an office in VA) that "only" hires graduates from the top 6 technical schools in the country...and the 7th school is Virginia Tech.

No Perdue, UIUC, UT Austin, Michigan, UCSD, Cornell, the list goes on. VT isn't even in the top 30 only looking at STEM.

Agree this is made up anecdote unless the founder is a VT grad and gives them special interview privileges.

Of course. 100%. VT poster is just silly.

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OP: thank you to those who actually answered my question or gave an honest opinion. It is really tempting to say yes to the full ride offer and be done with all of this. I think my son wants to sit tight and see where else he does or does not get in before making a final decision

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

It’s trickle down from UVA and WM getting impossible for many kids to get into. In addition, the increased expense of college has made many parents focus on the marketability of degrees rather than classic liberal arts. Tech has always had a vocational focus and many of its majors were specifically designed in conjunction with industry. I’m thinking of construction management, hospitality management, the entire engineering college, and many of the agriculture majors.

So, you're clearly not familiar with the entire College of Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT, and the wealth of majors available that have nothing to do with STEM or "vocational."
DP

I went there so I’m very familiar with all of the colleges. those liberal arts majors are not driving the increased demand.

That can be said of most non-technical schools.

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Anonymous wrote:OP: thank you to those who actually answered my question or gave an honest opinion. It is really tempting to say yes to the full ride offer and be done with all of this. I think my son wants to sit tight and see where else he does or does not get in before making a final decision

I think your son is the most intelligent one in this conversation.
You only needed to consult with him.

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FWIW, I have close friends who both work for VT and attended college there. They think it got too big, too fast and don't plan on pushing their DS to go there. They think its quality has gone down as its popularity has gone up.

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Anonymous wrote:FWIW, I have close friends who both work for VT and attended college there. They think it got too big, too fast and don't plan on pushing their DS to go there. They think its quality has gone down as its popularity has gone up.

Cool anecdote. We all know it is far, far more selective now than it was back when your “friends” attended.

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Anonymous wrote:Jmu is not like nova high school continued. I don’t get this complaint. It has about the same # of kids from each nova high school as vt and uva. Also, all big public Va schools have the about the same percentage of in-state which is 65%.

There were 4 kids from our HS who went there. My dd says she hasn’t seen them!

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Anonymous wrote:OP: thank you to those who actually answered my question or gave an honest opinion. It is really tempting to say yes to the full ride offer and be done with all of this. I think my son wants to sit tight and see where else he does or does not get in before making a final decision

Your son has until May 1st to make a decision, so no need to rush. My kids all waited until late April to pick their colleges. We did the accepted student days in the spring at their top 3 schools before they made a decision.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the responses! My son is more interested in the marketing/sales side of Business than the finance side but it is good to know that any of the colleges should be just fine!

The best marketers and salespeople go on to be GMs and CEOs. Make sure he takes accounting. Marketing and sales who know accounting well have a secret weapon and will be promoted more quickly than peers.