VCU vs JMU vs VT for Business

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For the op, you are going to get so many people posting stats and ranking, etc. All which are just noise. Have him visit all three and not during the winter break. Each town is different and the school vibes are different. At the end of the day as a parent, I would love the idea of 4 years of free. Saving money for grad school would be great. And at the end of the day, e everyone from every university gets a job.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Okay. Interesting take.

My DH's company, which is not based in VA, usually only hires graduates from VT, UC Berkeley, MIT, GT, CalTech, Stanford, and Carnegie Mellon.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why their graduates are sought-after by DH's company, as well as other companies.

I'm sure VT is not extraordinary in any way. That's why they are a highly-ranked public school.

Maybe this is a sour grapes situation?

I honestly think you are making shit up. I have never seen a company not based in VA (are they hiring kids for an office in VA) that "only" hires graduates from the top 6 technical schools in the country...and the 7th school is Virginia Tech.

No Perdue, UIUC, UT Austin, Michigan, UCSD, Cornell, the list goes on. VT isn't even in the top 30 only looking at STEM.

Agree this is made up anecdote unless the founder is a VT grad and gives them special interview privileges.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

Why 100 as an AI free signal? Some of the most notorious cheaters that DD knows are going to amazing schools

Same here. Most notorious cheater is at UVA currently, but that doesn't mean she isn't smart. She is. Using t100 or t70 ensures at least a little bit of actual ability is at play vs. outside of that where all bets are off. Cheaters can't cheat on the SAT which is weighted/used more heavily at selective schools.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

Why 100 as an AI free signal? Some of the most notorious cheaters that DD knows are going to amazing schools

Same here. Most notorious cheater is at UVA currently, but that doesn't mean she isn't smart. She is. Using t100 or t70 ensures at least a little bit of actual ability is at play vs. outside of that where all bets are off. Cheaters can't cheat on the SAT which is weighted/used more heavily at selective schools.

Right. You can’t cheat on the SAT but rich kids can spend $$$$ on test prep and end up with a score that doesn’t truly reflect their natural ability either

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

Why 100 as an AI free signal? Some of the most notorious cheaters that DD knows are going to amazing schools

Same here. Most notorious cheater is at UVA currently, but that doesn't mean she isn't smart. She is. Using t100 or t70 ensures at least a little bit of actual ability is at play vs. outside of that where all bets are off. Cheaters can't cheat on the SAT which is weighted/used more heavily at selective schools.

Right. You can’t cheat on the SAT but rich kids can spend $$$$ on test prep and end up with a score that doesn’t truly reflect their natural ability either

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Don't think this is really true, but even if it was, tough. Too bad. Deal with it. SAT prep isn't even that expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

Why 100 as an AI free signal? Some of the most notorious cheaters that DD knows are going to amazing schools

Same here. Most notorious cheater is at UVA currently, but that doesn't mean she isn't smart. She is. Using t100 or t70 ensures at least a little bit of actual ability is at play vs. outside of that where all bets are off. Cheaters can't cheat on the SAT which is weighted/used more heavily at selective schools.

Right. You can’t cheat on the SAT but rich kids can spend $$$$ on test prep and end up with a score that doesn’t truly reflect their natural ability either

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Don't think this is really true, but even if it was, tough. Too bad. Deal with it. SAT prep isn't even that expensive.

The level of prep that can turn 1300s into 1500s costs thousands

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

Why 100 as an AI free signal? Some of the most notorious cheaters that DD knows are going to amazing schools

Same here. Most notorious cheater is at UVA currently, but that doesn't mean she isn't smart. She is. Using t100 or t70 ensures at least a little bit of actual ability is at play vs. outside of that where all bets are off. Cheaters can't cheat on the SAT which is weighted/used more heavily at selective schools.

Right. You can’t cheat on the SAT but rich kids can spend $$$$ on test prep and end up with a score that doesn’t truly reflect their natural ability either

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Don't think this is really true, but even if it was, tough. Too bad. Deal with it. SAT prep isn't even that expensive.

The level of prep that can turn 1300s into 1500s costs thousands

You don't need a 1500 to get into a t70 and have your degree be worth something.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

More nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

More nonsense.

How is it nonsense? Someone with an 800 SAT 3.2 GPA weighted could probably get into VCU TO or not. The same cannot be said for VTech.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

It’s trickle down from UVA and WM getting impossible for many kids to get into. In addition, the increased expense of college has made many parents focus on the marketability of degrees rather than classic liberal arts. Tech has always had a vocational focus and many of its majors were specifically designed in conjunction with industry. I’m thinking of construction management, hospitality management, the entire engineering college, and many of the agriculture majors.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is much better than JMU and VCU. Now that many schools are TO you need to be very careful about attending the will maintain it’s reputation over the next 10-20 years. Before schools went TO, there was a minimum bar for competency in order to be admitted, now there is not. The students at VT are much more capable on overage than JMU or VCU. Before TO admission the 25-75 range for JMU SATs was 1120-1290 (65th-84th percentile SAT score). The 25-75 range for VT was 1180-1380. (75th-94th percentile SAT scores). TO is going to destroy the value of degrees from universities are not at least a VT or NCSU caliber because theses schools no longer have an accurate mechanism to filter our students who got straight As for having a pulse, but have room temp IQs.

Got rejected by JMU, did ya?

No, I went to a more competitive university. Not knocking on JMU, I am just worried that college degrees are effectively becoming worthless unless the universities have a strict quality standards for students. The benefit of college is more the signaling value (of some level of competence) to employers and networking. Both of these benefits are diminished substantially with TO admissions and online learning. Especially now that we have AI that is fairly accurate for most coursework and answering test questions its becoming increasingly difficult to differentiate the people who are capable from the people who know almost nothing. I think we are quickly entering a world where diplomas outside of T100 universities will become almost worthless.

OP don’t listen to this fool. I have a degree from a top university and a very good job. I work with people who are smart and good at what they do who went to a wide range of universities. Look all the way up the ranks of any Fortune 500 company and you’ll see the same.

As most sane posters have said, your DC should pick the school that he/she likes best. I can assure you that in 20 years a VCU degree won’t be worthless and a VT degree somehow worth its weight in gold. Not happening.

Degrees are just proxies for intelligence checks. If it were legal and unproblematic for companies to administer IQ tests they probably would. A VTech degree signals more positively than does a VCU degree in most fields.

When did VT become and elite school? It’s harder to get into than it used to be but it ain’t UVA. Especially for a business major.

It’s trickle down from UVA and WM getting impossible for many kids to get into. In addition, the increased expense of college has made many parents focus on the marketability of degrees rather than classic liberal arts. Tech has always had a vocational focus and many of its majors were specifically designed in conjunction with industry. I’m thinking of construction management, hospitality management, the entire engineering college, and many of the agriculture majors.

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It's probably the most career focused VA public (male % reflects this) and used to be the only one of the t3 VA publics to have reasonable admissions standards that are now unreasonable and exclusionary.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is in at VCU. But good school. A city feel. VT has such a following - I don’t get it. But folks seem to like it. JMU is NOVA high school continued. If your kid liked high school, then he/she will like JMU.

VT has a "following" because it is an excellent school. What don't you get about that?

VT has a following in Virginia. Rah rah. Football. Cultish. Many parents pushing kids there because they went there back in the day when it was easy to get in. But not extraordinary at all. That's what I don't get.

Oh my goodness. Someone is salty. Neither I nor my spouse went there, but it was definitely our DC's top choice school. And yes - they are having an *extraordinary* experience there, whether you "get" it or not.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Jmu is not like nova high school continued. I don’t get this complaint. It has about the same # of kids from each nova high school as vt and uva. Also, all big public Va schools have the about the same percentage of in-state which is 65%.

Yep. But some posters have a real axe to grind about in-state public schools, which just says so much more about them than anything else. At none of these schools would a student run into someone from high school, unless they were deliberately seeking them out. I always laugh when I read those idiotic claims.