DDOT wants to charge $8/hr for street parking, require payment 24 hours/day

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Everyone benefits from free public schools, whether they have children or not.

Who benefits from free (or cheap) on-street car parking in high-demand areas?

Who benefits when you make it easy for people to circulate about a city? Is that a real question?

That's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is free on-street car parking in high-demand areas (which actually makes it more difficult for people to circulate about a city).

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

Discouraging people from going to U Street for dining and entertainment seems like the exactly opposite of what U Street needs right now.

It's not discouraging people from going to U Street. It's simply discouraging people who drive to U Street from parking on the street for hours and hours. If anything, it will encourage people who drive to U Street, because street parking spaces will be more available.

This is just bizarre. Do you think people go to U Street for an hour? They go there for the night. If they have to pay $8 an hour to park, they'll just go elsewhere. Silver Spring has free parking garages on the weekend.

Sure, why go to U Street when you can park for free in Silver Spring?

If you are already living in Silver Spring, you will probably be asking yourself that exact question. Why bother.

Have you been to downtown Silver Spring at night? There are people everywhere. More than a lot of DC neighborhoods can say right now. We have so many empty storefronts it's ridiculous.

This is exactly the point. No one in Silver Spring is going to bother taking the metro down to U Street anymore or ever when if they are already parked in Silver Spring they can have a better night out in Silver Spring due to the better variety of superior entertainment options.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Everyone benefits from free public schools, whether they have children or not.

Who benefits from free (or cheap) on-street car parking in high-demand areas?

Who benefits when you make it easy for people to circulate about a city? Is that a real question?

That's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is free on-street car parking in high-demand areas (which actually makes it more difficult for people to circulate about a city).

Removing parking will increase use of ride share which, according to Uber’s own studies, is proven to increase congestion. Try again.

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Anonymous wrote:What do U St businesses think?

They have to be losing their minds. Bar owners in other neighborhoods, on the other hand....

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I would think that DC is intentionally trying to drive nightlife out of U Street and drive people towards the Wharf and Navy Yard. And perhaps it makes sense. The ANCs for the area of stuffed with people that moved to a nightlife area but complain about the nightlife constantly. Meanwhile, the city has these new entertainment districts. It’s a win-win for everyone except the incumbent bar and restaurant owners.

Ha yes, the Wharf and Navy Yard are well known for cheap parking and and abundance of on street parking spots.

They have what U Street does not have, parking garages.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Everyone benefits from free public schools, whether they have children or not.

Who benefits from free (or cheap) on-street car parking in high-demand areas?

Who benefits when you make it easy for people to circulate about a city? Is that a real question?

That's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is free on-street car parking in high-demand areas (which actually makes it more difficult for people to circulate about a city).

Removing parking will increase use of ride share which, according to Uber’s own studies, is proven to increase congestion. Try again.

This is not a proposal to remove parking.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Everyone benefits from free public schools, whether they have children or not.

Who benefits from free (or cheap) on-street car parking in high-demand areas?

Who benefits when you make it easy for people to circulate about a city? Is that a real question?

That's not the topic of this thread. The topic of this thread is free on-street car parking in high-demand areas (which actually makes it more difficult for people to circulate about a city).

Removing parking will increase use of ride share which, according to Uber’s own studies, is proven to increase congestion. Try again.

This is not a proposal to remove parking.

This makes zero sense. Like none.

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People still go to DC? I’m a city girl, but so much of the city has left, it is basically an outer ring suburban city. It’s pretty bland, getting more expensive, and getting less from it. If you’re not already here, why would you come?

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

Sounds like you've never taken an Uber on a Saturday night. The price is not comparable!

So DC should actually charge more? Ok.

Yes! Charge more! We can do to the bar scene what we did to the restaurant scene! (Does anyone still go to restaurants?). Seriously, you can charge more but then don't complain when people stop going to U Street. There are lots of other bars in other places, including Maryland and Virginia, where everything is not a giant pain in the ass.

People don't go to restaurants anymore, they are too crowded.

Exactly. Gotta have a reservation these days. Because no one at all goes?

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Anonymous wrote:People still go to DC? I’m a city girl, but so much of the city has left, it is basically an outer ring suburban city. It’s pretty bland, getting more expensive, and getting less from it. If you’re not already here, why would you come?

You want to see bland? Try Hyattsville. DC still has some great options. In many different neighborhoods, by the way. The possibilities in Northeast DC are exponentially better than they were twenty years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Only if everyone parking at the bars on U Street lives in D.C.

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

IKR, this is another example of stupidity where DC is pretending to be NYC and parking situation in NYC is not nearly as complicated. Besides, there are not many garages in that area and the stupid meters are already confusing and annoying. What they will get is fewer people patronizing the businesses eventually, DC isn't as dense to support a large number of restaurant/shopping strips. And tourists don't go there in droves either and stay near the attractions and hotels.

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Anonymous wrote:DDOT wants to charge $8 an hour to park on the street. They also think people should have to feed the meter 24 hours a day. They're going to charge these sky high rates in what they call the "New Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone" but if you look at the map, it covers a large chunk of NW. Likely only a matter of time before they expand this to other neighborhoods.

The Greater U Street Performance Parking Zone centers on the U Street NW Corridor and extends across a significant area in NW, Washington. In the southeast quadrant, the zone starts at the intersection of Florida Avenue NW and S Street NW and extends to Georgia Avenue NE and 17th Street NW. In the southwest quadrant, the zone runs from 17th Street NW heading east along U Street NW, then south down 14th Street and back to Florida Avenue NW via S Street NW. Parking rates vary between $3/hour and $8/hour throughout the zone. Rates change at three intervals throughout the day: 10am, 6pm, and 3am.

https://www.parkdc.com/pages/meters#performance_parking

I don't think they expect people to feed meters, but rather use an app.

Why should parking on public space be free? A lot of people don't own cars and are thus subsidizing the free parking for people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public schools be free? A lot of people don't have kids and are thus subsidizing the educations of people who do. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why should public libraries be free? A lot of people buy their own books and are thus subsidizing people who refuse to buy their own books. How is that fair?

Yeah, and why are parks free to use? A lot of people don't like parks and are thus subsidizing people who like parks. How is that fair?

One of these things is not like the other:

Public schools
Public libraries
Public parks
On-street parking for the cars of people going to bars

Actually none of them are free. None of them would exist without the absurdly high taxes were pay for a grossly wasteful government.

Imagine complaining about schools, libraries, and parks, while insisting on the priority of being able to leave your car on the street without having to pay much.

Acting like street parking is some giveaway is like saying public schools are a giveaway to parents. Parents already paid for the schools with their tax dollars, and ditto for drivers and the streets.

Only if everyone parking at the bars on U Street lives in D.C.

If they spend their money on U street they pay sales tax and also support local businesses. The area around it isn't dense enough, it's no Manhattan to only rely on locals living there to support all these bars and it's far enough away for tourists.

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Anonymous wrote:People still go to DC? I’m a city girl, but so much of the city has left, it is basically an outer ring suburban city. It’s pretty bland, getting more expensive, and getting less from it. If you’re not already here, why would you come?

What do you mean much of the city has left? The city is still the city and isn't comparable to the suburban satellites like Tysons or Mosaic or Reston or whatever. It's very different.

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Anonymous wrote:1) It's a relatively tiny area of NW.
2) The $8/hour is only from 6pm-3am (ie, nightlife time)
3) The purpose is to encourage street parking spots to turn over frequently, which I am all for.

Street parking should be expensive and, in high demand zones, it should primarily serve people who want to park for an hour or less. If you're coming for a night out? Find a garage.

So we're going to require people who are getting completely hammered in bars to move their car frequently because they will be worried about the meter, and then they will have to drive around for 45 minutes (while inebriated) looking for a new parking spot. What could possibly go wrong?

Yeah, that's what we are going to *require.*

(No, the game is actually to incentivize people to park in a garage or take an uber. Which they largely will, if the price is comparable.)

Sounds like you've never taken an Uber on a Saturday night. The price is not comparable!

So DC should actually charge more? Ok.

Yes! Charge more! We can do to the bar scene what we did to the restaurant scene! (Does anyone still go to restaurants?). Seriously, you can charge more but then don't complain when people stop going to U Street. There are lots of other bars in other places, including Maryland and Virginia, where everything is not a giant pain in the ass.

People don't go to restaurants anymore, they are too crowded.

Do you even live here? The restaurant scene is a sad shadow of what it was 10 years ago.

That tends to happen when your murder rate in 2023 was higher than Detroit and Baltimore. And unlike Detroit and Baltimore, DC’s suburbs have more options for restaurants and nightlife.

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Anonymous wrote:People still go to DC? I’m a city girl, but so much of the city has left, it is basically an outer ring suburban city. It’s pretty bland, getting more expensive, and getting less from it. If you’re not already here, why would you come?

What do you mean much of the city has left? The city is still the city and isn't comparable to the suburban satellites like Tysons or Mosaic or Reston or whatever. It's very different.

Old Town is a dense, urban environment with a lot of character and a bunch of restaurants. Alexandria had 7 homicides in 2023 and has 155,000 residents. DC had 274 homicides and has 674,000 people. The calculus for risking your safety to go out at night in DC because it might have nicer restaurants is different than it was when the city was much, much safer 10 years ago.