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Anonymous wrote:Do you all have only children or first kids?

Who cares. It’s not that deep. Look at the papers they bring home every week. Monitor standardized test screeners and SOLs. And just relax until middle school.

You have to realize the changes since your kids were in elementary. Now we don't get papers sent home. Tests are on the iPad so we never see scores. (My student isn't allowed to bring her iPad home, even if I wanted to poke around and try to find scores.) For language arts, writing is done in a notebook that stays at school and CKLA and 95Phonics are done in workbooks that stay at school. Other work is submitted on the iPad. At most my student brings home a couple of worksheets for social studies or science, but even those are intermittent. Work isn't sent home like it used to be.

I still have a kid in elementary school. She gets lots of papers sent home including all her tests which are on paper and her writing notebooks which she brings home because sometimes she needs to finish work at home. Ask your teacher to see more of the work. That’s your right.

I've asked and teachers have declined. They especially don't send home math grades. Those tests are all online so we don't see them. I met with the language arts teacher at the fall conference so got to see some writing examples for the fall. The spring conference will be with the math teacher so I'll see some math grades in Feb/March, but won't get any more feedback on language arts outside of these stupid report cards.

#theAPSway

What is it you want to do with all these grades and work? How would it change your behavior? Do you have a genuine concern that your child has dyslexia, dysgraphia or something that you are trying to suss out? If so, ask to have another conversation. The APS way is actually typically to be very accommodating to parent requests (I'm a parent, not a teacher), even the many requests that are probably way out of bounds. I'm unclear on why you want so much feedback/what you would do with it.

Not that PP, and I have an older kid in addition to one in ES. The frustration is that we had a perfectly adequate, clear system for reporting how kids were doing in school (report cards with A, B, C, etc), and this was scraped and replaced with a convoluted, non-sensical system. No, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s annoying.

And as others have said, my child brings home very little completed work. I never see her graded tests. No, the scores are not in parentvue for ES. She will tell me how she did on tests— otherwise, I would never know. What is the point of keeping all this information from parents?

My older one went through elementary with the letter grades and I found it needlessly stressful for kids that age. I prefer and agree with no grades until middle school. Just a heads up that not everyone agrees with you.

Leave it up to the parents. Letter grades are sent home on ParentVue, there is no need to tell the child they have whatever grade or show them report card. Universal obscurity of academics for all is not the answer

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all have only children or first kids?

Who cares. It’s not that deep. Look at the papers they bring home every week. Monitor standardized test screeners and SOLs. And just relax until middle school.

You have to realize the changes since your kids were in elementary. Now we don't get papers sent home. Tests are on the iPad so we never see scores. (My student isn't allowed to bring her iPad home, even if I wanted to poke around and try to find scores.) For language arts, writing is done in a notebook that stays at school and CKLA and 95Phonics are done in workbooks that stay at school. Other work is submitted on the iPad. At most my student brings home a couple of worksheets for social studies or science, but even those are intermittent. Work isn't sent home like it used to be.

I still have a kid in elementary school. She gets lots of papers sent home including all her tests which are on paper and her writing notebooks which she brings home because sometimes she needs to finish work at home. Ask your teacher to see more of the work. That’s your right.

I've asked and teachers have declined. They especially don't send home math grades. Those tests are all online so we don't see them. I met with the language arts teacher at the fall conference so got to see some writing examples for the fall. The spring conference will be with the math teacher so I'll see some math grades in Feb/March, but won't get any more feedback on language arts outside of these stupid report cards.

#theAPSway

What is it you want to do with all these grades and work? How would it change your behavior? Do you have a genuine concern that your child has dyslexia, dysgraphia or something that you are trying to suss out? If so, ask to have another conversation. The APS way is actually typically to be very accommodating to parent requests (I'm a parent, not a teacher), even the many requests that are probably way out of bounds. I'm unclear on why you want so much feedback/what you would do with it.

I just like to keep an eye on how they're doing. For instance, my oldest is a really good math student but occasionally struggles with topics. When tests used to come home, I could see that she was struggling with a topic, e.g., elapsed time, and then could work on that skill at home. But now I don't see test scores or worksheets, as every thing is online and there is no digital gradebook. So I have no idea if she isn't getting a particular topic so I can't reinforce if there are gaps.

If you have a really good math student have confidence that if she didn’t get the skill, they will review it at various points (because they do) and she will get it. The level of insight and control you want to have is not realistic.

Some of you have a lot of time on your hands. I feel bad for the teachers.

I mean, I eventually found out she didn't understand elapsed time because she got it wrong on the SOL and I showed her a problem as summer review and she had no idea how to do it. So no, not all gaps are filled. I would have preferred to fill the gap when she struggled during the school year, but unit test scores aren't shared with parents.

Expecting to see graded unit tests is not unreasonable. That was standard before covid and everything moving online. It's really strange, IMO, that schools are hoarding this information while moving to less transparent report cards.

Equity. If you don’t clue in the engaged parents, the checked out parents kids won’t fall as far behind

[Anonymous]

Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all have only children or first kids?

Who cares. It’s not that deep. Look at the papers they bring home every week. Monitor standardized test screeners and SOLs. And just relax until middle school.

You have to realize the changes since your kids were in elementary. Now we don't get papers sent home. Tests are on the iPad so we never see scores. (My student isn't allowed to bring her iPad home, even if I wanted to poke around and try to find scores.) For language arts, writing is done in a notebook that stays at school and CKLA and 95Phonics are done in workbooks that stay at school. Other work is submitted on the iPad. At most my student brings home a couple of worksheets for social studies or science, but even those are intermittent. Work isn't sent home like it used to be.

I still have a kid in elementary school. She gets lots of papers sent home including all her tests which are on paper and her writing notebooks which she brings home because sometimes she needs to finish work at home. Ask your teacher to see more of the work. That’s your right.

I've asked and teachers have declined. They especially don't send home math grades. Those tests are all online so we don't see them. I met with the language arts teacher at the fall conference so got to see some writing examples for the fall. The spring conference will be with the math teacher so I'll see some math grades in Feb/March, but won't get any more feedback on language arts outside of these stupid report cards.

#theAPSway

What is it you want to do with all these grades and work? How would it change your behavior? Do you have a genuine concern that your child has dyslexia, dysgraphia or something that you are trying to suss out? If so, ask to have another conversation. The APS way is actually typically to be very accommodating to parent requests (I'm a parent, not a teacher), even the many requests that are probably way out of bounds. I'm unclear on why you want so much feedback/what you would do with it.

I just like to keep an eye on how they're doing. For instance, my oldest is a really good math student but occasionally struggles with topics. When tests used to come home, I could see that she was struggling with a topic, e.g., elapsed time, and then could work on that skill at home. But now I don't see test scores or worksheets, as every thing is online and there is no digital gradebook. So I have no idea if she isn't getting a particular topic so I can't reinforce if there are gaps.

If you have a really good math student have confidence that if she didn’t get the skill, they will review it at various points (because they do) and she will get it. The level of insight and control you want to have is not realistic.

Some of you have a lot of time on your hands. I feel bad for the teachers.

I mean, I eventually found out she didn't understand elapsed time because she got it wrong on the SOL and I showed her a problem as summer review and she had no idea how to do it. So no, not all gaps are filled. I would have preferred to fill the gap when she struggled during the school year, but unit test scores aren't shared with parents.

Expecting to see graded unit tests is not unreasonable. That was standard before covid and everything moving online. It's really strange, IMO, that schools are hoarding this information while moving to less transparent report cards.

Equity. If you don’t clue in the engaged parents, the checked out parents kids won’t fall as far behind

lol. Yes it’s a vast conspiracy!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all have only children or first kids?

Who cares. It’s not that deep. Look at the papers they bring home every week. Monitor standardized test screeners and SOLs. And just relax until middle school.

You have to realize the changes since your kids were in elementary. Now we don't get papers sent home. Tests are on the iPad so we never see scores. (My student isn't allowed to bring her iPad home, even if I wanted to poke around and try to find scores.) For language arts, writing is done in a notebook that stays at school and CKLA and 95Phonics are done in workbooks that stay at school. Other work is submitted on the iPad. At most my student brings home a couple of worksheets for social studies or science, but even those are intermittent. Work isn't sent home like it used to be.

I still have a kid in elementary school. She gets lots of papers sent home including all her tests which are on paper and her writing notebooks which she brings home because sometimes she needs to finish work at home. Ask your teacher to see more of the work. That’s your right.

I've asked and teachers have declined. They especially don't send home math grades. Those tests are all online so we don't see them. I met with the language arts teacher at the fall conference so got to see some writing examples for the fall. The spring conference will be with the math teacher so I'll see some math grades in Feb/March, but won't get any more feedback on language arts outside of these stupid report cards.

#theAPSway

What is it you want to do with all these grades and work? How would it change your behavior? Do you have a genuine concern that your child has dyslexia, dysgraphia or something that you are trying to suss out? If so, ask to have another conversation. The APS way is actually typically to be very accommodating to parent requests (I'm a parent, not a teacher), even the many requests that are probably way out of bounds. I'm unclear on why you want so much feedback/what you would do with it.

Not that PP, and I have an older kid in addition to one in ES. The frustration is that we had a perfectly adequate, clear system for reporting how kids were doing in school (report cards with A, B, C, etc), and this was scraped and replaced with a convoluted, non-sensical system. No, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s annoying.

And as others have said, my child brings home very little completed work. I never see her graded tests. No, the scores are not in parentvue for ES. She will tell me how she did on tests— otherwise, I would never know. What is the point of keeping all this information from parents?

My older one went through elementary with the letter grades and I found it needlessly stressful for kids that age. I prefer and agree with no grades until middle school. Just a heads up that not everyone agrees with you.

Leave it up to the parents. Letter grades are sent home on ParentVue, there is no need to tell the child they have whatever grade or show them report card. Universal obscurity of academics for all is not the answer

Elementary schools do not put grades on ParentVue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

You have zero clue what you’re talking about, big surprise. A kid who is carrying a heavy course load of APs or in full IB is working if they are getting straight As. But go back to your talking points, please.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do you all have only children or first kids?

Who cares. It’s not that deep. Look at the papers they bring home every week. Monitor standardized test screeners and SOLs. And just relax until middle school.

You have to realize the changes since your kids were in elementary. Now we don't get papers sent home. Tests are on the iPad so we never see scores. (My student isn't allowed to bring her iPad home, even if I wanted to poke around and try to find scores.) For language arts, writing is done in a notebook that stays at school and CKLA and 95Phonics are done in workbooks that stay at school. Other work is submitted on the iPad. At most my student brings home a couple of worksheets for social studies or science, but even those are intermittent. Work isn't sent home like it used to be.

I still have a kid in elementary school. She gets lots of papers sent home including all her tests which are on paper and her writing notebooks which she brings home because sometimes she needs to finish work at home. Ask your teacher to see more of the work. That’s your right.

I've asked and teachers have declined. They especially don't send home math grades. Those tests are all online so we don't see them. I met with the language arts teacher at the fall conference so got to see some writing examples for the fall. The spring conference will be with the math teacher so I'll see some math grades in Feb/March, but won't get any more feedback on language arts outside of these stupid report cards.

#theAPSway

What is it you want to do with all these grades and work? How would it change your behavior? Do you have a genuine concern that your child has dyslexia, dysgraphia or something that you are trying to suss out? If so, ask to have another conversation. The APS way is actually typically to be very accommodating to parent requests (I'm a parent, not a teacher), even the many requests that are probably way out of bounds. I'm unclear on why you want so much feedback/what you would do with it.

Not that PP, and I have an older kid in addition to one in ES. The frustration is that we had a perfectly adequate, clear system for reporting how kids were doing in school (report cards with A, B, C, etc), and this was scraped and replaced with a convoluted, non-sensical system. No, it’s not the end of the world, but it’s annoying.

And as others have said, my child brings home very little completed work. I never see her graded tests. No, the scores are not in parentvue for ES. She will tell me how she did on tests— otherwise, I would never know. What is the point of keeping all this information from parents?

My older one went through elementary with the letter grades and I found it needlessly stressful for kids that age. I prefer and agree with no grades until middle school. Just a heads up that not everyone agrees with you.

Leave it up to the parents. Letter grades are sent home on ParentVue, there is no need to tell the child they have whatever grade or show them report card. Universal obscurity of academics for all is not the answer

Elementary schools do not put grades on ParentVue.

I literally looked at my students report card “all 2s” for a student reading 2 grades above in ParentVue. Do you mean they don’t populate the “Gradebook” tab?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

You have zero clue what you’re talking about, big surprise. A kid who is carrying a heavy course load of APs or in full IB is working if they are getting straight As. But go back to your talking points, please.

Again, pass the AP test with 5s is the key point. PP did not say that. My high school all kids got an A in the AP classes, but no one got above a 3.

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Are middle schools now using the same method of assigning 2 vs 3 vs 4? I really hope not….

My 7th grader is getting letter grades but I think they have moved in the same direction of assessing year long standards because she got “meets expectations” for everything which is not consistent with what we were told at conferences or past performance where she would have had several “exceeds”
I think middle school teachers just have a lot of students so it takes more to stand out and get an exceeds expectations. I'd bet that many teachers basically give a "meets" to everyone who isn't a problem.

You are talking about the comments section of the middle school report card. Many....most teachers do not consistently fill these out. If they do, know it's a made effort. They are not required to fill them out at all and many quarters my kid's (both high achievers) are completely blank. This is separate from grades. This convo is about elementary report cards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

Wait let me guess. You reviewing their math unit tests in 3rd grade is going to get them to the competitive college. Good plan report back in 10 years. You’re doing it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

That can be fine for you and your kids, but other kids may need extra support on certain topics. It's hardly tiger parenting to see a poor unit test score and then make sure the kid understands the subject, as math spirals and it will come up again. In fact, most consider that good parenting. It's far better to fill those gaps before the house of cards collapses and you have a stressed kid who is really behind and have to pay for an expensive tutor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

Wait let me guess. You reviewing their math unit tests in 3rd grade is going to get them to the competitive college. Good plan report back in 10 years. You’re doing it.

You're really being critical of a parent who wants to make sure their kid understands the on grade level material?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

That can be fine for you and your kids, but other kids may need extra support on certain topics. It's hardly tiger parenting to see a poor unit test score and then make sure the kid understands the subject, as math spirals and it will come up again. In fact, most consider that good parenting. It's far better to fill those gaps before the house of cards collapses and you have a stressed kid who is really behind and have to pay for an expensive tutor.

I am person you are responding to. I agree with you. Please note the first part of my answer that gave all the qualifiers about a kid who is generally following along and going to get it. A kid who needs more support, I would personally press for more info. I just wonder how many people posting here really fit that category.

Also a lot of kids have math tutors in particular by high school. This surprised me. Not because they missed skills but because the content moves fast if they are strong in math and a teacher has 100 kids and if they need a bit more on something this is how they’re going to get it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what it boils down to. I don’t think that level of diligence is necessary for a NT kid in elementary school who is giving all signals they are following along in school via standardized testing, teacher input, and your own observations of them in real life. In middle school if you are observing issues, which is most likely executive functioning, studying and test taking skills, that’s the time to step in and offer assistance. If they have missed some skill from elementary school they need, they will figure it out and learn it. Just one persons opinion. And I have two teens in high school getting straight As in the most rigorous classes offered. Some of you are going to wear yourselves out before you get to the actual challenging parts.

Straights As at an APS public school? Stop the presses. Let’s talk when they are in a competitive college.

Wait let me guess. You reviewing their math unit tests in 3rd grade is going to get them to the competitive college. Good plan report back in 10 years. You’re doing it.

You're really being critical of a parent who wants to make sure their kid understands the on grade level material?

No I’m being critical of people who say stupid things about how all public school kids get straight As.