So much talking in class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent, I refuse to put all the blame on teachers. Parents need to guide their kids on how to comport themselves in a classroom. Keep the conversations to the lunchroom or hallways or outside school or recess, if any. Of course, parents won't know if their kids are committing these mistakes if there is no system of accountability or communicating with the parents. In elementary school, I remember some teachers instituted a green, yellow, red system and the teachers communicated to the parents at the very beginning of the school year about this policy. I'm assuming that if any kid got to "red," parents would be alerted. I'm sure not all teachers want to do it this way, but parents should be brought into the conversation as well. I don't like this teacher-blaming; they have our kids for a brief amount of time during the day. The rest is up to us!

We aren’t allowed to use public methods of behavior modification like that. The kids with the most behavior problems have parents who aren’t interested in hearing about it.

That's weird, because both of my kids' elementary school teachers do that.

[Anonymous]

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There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

No it's that some teachers are better at classroom management than others.

It is your opinion that this is the ONLY factor?

Not the PP but it certainly is a factor. I went to Open House at my kids MS and WOW. It took the teacher more than five minutes to start a quiz because he allowed them to keep asking silly questions and making silly comments. You could see some of the other students were sitting there like can we move on and get started.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

No it's that some teachers are better at classroom management than others.

It is your opinion that this is the ONLY factor?

Not the PP but it certainly is a factor. I went to Open House at my kids MS and WOW. It took the teacher more than five minutes to start a quiz because he allowed them to keep asking silly questions and making silly comments. You could see some of the other students were sitting there like can we move on and get started.

It is extremely frustrating for kids who deserve an education and can't get that education.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our experience is that it is up to the teacher to instill discipline. We had one who allowed the class get sidetracked by the students and by the end of the year the class was completely out of control, not only in their class but that out of control behavior extended to all the specials teachers.

The good teachers make sure there is discipline at the start of the school year and at the same time convey through actions they care about the students.

So true. My kid has a no nonsense teacher in 1st grade who was also funny and kind. She was so proud of their little achievements and kids in that class loved her in spite of her being strict when kids acted out. Those kind of teachers are rare these days.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do your kids also tell you that students in their class talk so much? To the point that the class can not complete scheduled class assignments, projects, simulations etc..? How do teachers handle this?

YES. My 8th grader has been complaining about this non-stop for the entire 3 years of middle school. Teachers do nothing.

Which middle school is this, or is it all of them? My kid complains about the distracting environment in 5th.

[Anonymous]

I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

I’m another no-nonsense teacher. The methods I’ve used for decades no longer work.

Students are quite different now. For some, the school year starts with distrust and open defiance. I’m used to earning my students’ respect, but for some it’s almost impossible. And it used to be 1-2 in a class. Now it can be 8-10, which splits your focus and makes follow-through exhaustive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

I’m another no-nonsense teacher. The methods I’ve used for decades no longer work.

Students are quite different now. For some, the school year starts with distrust and open defiance. I’m used to earning my students’ respect, but for some it’s almost impossible. And it used to be 1-2 in a class. Now it can be 8-10, which splits your focus and makes follow-through exhaustive.

Another MoCo teacher here and both PP’s are 💯 spot on with their comments. Admin has made it clear they do not want office referrals (this year’s goal is to reduce the number of office referrals for black and brown students so the solution is…not documenting the severe behavior disruptions) so teachers are left trying to manage these out of control behaviors while also teaching. One of my main concerns are the students who witness these out-of-control behaviors from their peers and see that there are clearly no consequences from admin - more and more students attempt to also engage in negative behaviors. Also like PP’s have stated, the number of students outrageous behaviors has at least quadrupled. In the past, I may have had one or two students that were disruptive but this year, the majority of classes at our school have multiple out of control students in each classroom. I’m honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to proceed from here…it’s not fair to the other students. I honestly dread coming to work most days because I am exhausted dealing with these extreme behaviors. The other day, a 4th grade student in my class pulled out their cell phone during instruction and started showing classmates photos on their phone. I asked the student to put the phone away, was told “no, I don’t have to,” I asked again, they refused, I advised the student I would need to hold on to their phone until the end of the day, they stated, “you can’t make me do anything, this is my phone.” I called on the walkie for support from the counselor , the counselor came in and asked for the phone, the student refused again, the counselor left…and that was it! NOTHING was done and the student faced zero consequences! I’ve sent emails, called home - no answer per usual. This is not one of the behavior issues I described earlier, but just one example of how the lack of consequences has empowered students to do whatever they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

I’m another no-nonsense teacher. The methods I’ve used for decades no longer work.

Students are quite different now. For some, the school year starts with distrust and open defiance. I’m used to earning my students’ respect, but for some it’s almost impossible. And it used to be 1-2 in a class. Now it can be 8-10, which splits your focus and makes follow-through exhaustive.

Another MoCo teacher here and both PP’s are 💯 spot on with their comments. Admin has made it clear they do not want office referrals (this year’s goal is to reduce the number of office referrals for black and brown students so the solution is…not documenting the severe behavior disruptions) so teachers are left trying to manage these out of control behaviors while also teaching. One of my main concerns are the students who witness these out-of-control behaviors from their peers and see that there are clearly no consequences from admin - more and more students attempt to also engage in negative behaviors. Also like PP’s have stated, the number of students outrageous behaviors has at least quadrupled. In the past, I may have had one or two students that were disruptive but this year, the majority of classes at our school have multiple out of control students in each classroom. I’m honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to proceed from here…it’s not fair to the other students. I honestly dread coming to work most days because I am exhausted dealing with these extreme behaviors. The other day, a 4th grade student in my class pulled out their cell phone during instruction and started showing classmates photos on their phone. I asked the student to put the phone away, was told “no, I don’t have to,” I asked again, they refused, I advised the student I would need to hold on to their phone until the end of the day, they stated, “you can’t make me do anything, this is my phone.” I called on the walkie for support from the counselor , the counselor came in and asked for the phone, the student refused again, the counselor left…and that was it! NOTHING was done and the student faced zero consequences! I’ve sent emails, called home - no answer per usual. This is not one of the behavior issues I described earlier, but just one example of how the lack of consequences has empowered students to do whatever they want.

Not to turn this into a political discussion which can be done in political forum, but look at what "role models" these kids see, a leader-elect getting away with many wrongdoings. Hey feel they can get away too. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Could Trump reinstate discipline? Why can’t he just kick out the kids who f around and ruin the experience for everyone else?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Could Trump reinstate discipline? Why can’t he just kick out the kids who f around and ruin the experience for everyone else?

"Fire" students?? doubtful

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

I’m another no-nonsense teacher. The methods I’ve used for decades no longer work.

Students are quite different now. For some, the school year starts with distrust and open defiance. I’m used to earning my students’ respect, but for some it’s almost impossible. And it used to be 1-2 in a class. Now it can be 8-10, which splits your focus and makes follow-through exhaustive.

Another MoCo teacher here and both PP’s are 💯 spot on with their comments. Admin has made it clear they do not want office referrals (this year’s goal is to reduce the number of office referrals for black and brown students so the solution is…not documenting the severe behavior disruptions) so teachers are left trying to manage these out of control behaviors while also teaching. One of my main concerns are the students who witness these out-of-control behaviors from their peers and see that there are clearly no consequences from admin - more and more students attempt to also engage in negative behaviors. Also like PP’s have stated, the number of students outrageous behaviors has at least quadrupled. In the past, I may have had one or two students that were disruptive but this year, the majority of classes at our school have multiple out of control students in each classroom. I’m honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to proceed from here…it’s not fair to the other students. I honestly dread coming to work most days because I am exhausted dealing with these extreme behaviors. The other day, a 4th grade student in my class pulled out their cell phone during instruction and started showing classmates photos on their phone. I asked the student to put the phone away, was told “no, I don’t have to,” I asked again, they refused, I advised the student I would need to hold on to their phone until the end of the day, they stated, “you can’t make me do anything, this is my phone.” I called on the walkie for support from the counselor , the counselor came in and asked for the phone, the student refused again, the counselor left…and that was it! NOTHING was done and the student faced zero consequences! I’ve sent emails, called home - no answer per usual. This is not one of the behavior issues I described earlier, but just one example of how the lack of consequences has empowered students to do whatever they want.

So besides the student being disrespectful, no adult in the building(not teacher, counselor, nor anyone else) confiscated the phone. I wonder why kids believe there are no consequences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m a no nonsense teacher who has been knocked on her butt the last two years by out of control students. They throw things, destroy things, elope from the classroom, spit/hit/punch others/me. They set off a few others in the classroom who aren’t that extreme. It’s been hell. These are students who haven’t experienced limits in their home lives and it shows up at school. They are addicted to screens and will freak out trying to get any screen they see (including my phone when I call for admin support). Thank God for sturdy cell phone cases or mine would’ve been broken by now.

I’m another no-nonsense teacher. The methods I’ve used for decades no longer work.

Students are quite different now. For some, the school year starts with distrust and open defiance. I’m used to earning my students’ respect, but for some it’s almost impossible. And it used to be 1-2 in a class. Now it can be 8-10, which splits your focus and makes follow-through exhaustive.

Another MoCo teacher here and both PP’s are 💯 spot on with their comments. Admin has made it clear they do not want office referrals (this year’s goal is to reduce the number of office referrals for black and brown students so the solution is…not documenting the severe behavior disruptions) so teachers are left trying to manage these out of control behaviors while also teaching. One of my main concerns are the students who witness these out-of-control behaviors from their peers and see that there are clearly no consequences from admin - more and more students attempt to also engage in negative behaviors. Also like PP’s have stated, the number of students outrageous behaviors has at least quadrupled. In the past, I may have had one or two students that were disruptive but this year, the majority of classes at our school have multiple out of control students in each classroom. I’m honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to proceed from here…it’s not fair to the other students. I honestly dread coming to work most days because I am exhausted dealing with these extreme behaviors. The other day, a 4th grade student in my class pulled out their cell phone during instruction and started showing classmates photos on their phone. I asked the student to put the phone away, was told “no, I don’t have to,” I asked again, they refused, I advised the student I would need to hold on to their phone until the end of the day, they stated, “you can’t make me do anything, this is my phone.” I called on the walkie for support from the counselor , the counselor came in and asked for the phone, the student refused again, the counselor left…and that was it! NOTHING was done and the student faced zero consequences! I’ve sent emails, called home - no answer per usual. This is not one of the behavior issues I described earlier, but just one example of how the lack of consequences has empowered students to do whatever they want.

So besides the student being disrespectful, no adult in the building(not teacher, counselor, nor anyone else) confiscated the phone. I wonder why kids believe there are no consequences.

At my school, we are told we absolutely MAY NOT confiscate phones. We used to be able to, but (just like everything else) we lost that authority.

If I confiscate a phone and something happens to it, I’m liable. If I confiscate a phone and the child’s tantrum hurts themselves or others, I’m liable. To prevent these issues, the schools say we can’t touch them.

And I’ve had parents yell at me for suggesting phones should be put away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

There are no more threats out there that kids care about. You can’t fail them, can’t make them stay after school, in elementary you can’t take away recess. You can call home and usually get no answer. They fear nothing and they’re right.

This exactly. They see it, and their older siblings and cousins tell them that there are no actual consequences.

No it's that some teachers are better at classroom management than others.

It is your opinion that this is the ONLY factor?

Not the PP but it certainly is a factor. I went to Open House at my kids MS and WOW. It took the teacher more than five minutes to start a quiz because he allowed them to keep asking silly questions and making silly comments. You could see some of the other students were sitting there like can we move on and get started.

“He allowed them”? Are you sure? So teachers are telling you that there is an epidemic of student misbehavior and there are no consequences from our administrations but your suggestion is that teachers are just being too patient? Jesus, let me quit right now.

[Anonymous]

Why is no discipline allowed?
Why can’t cell phone be taken to office and parent has to come it? Don’t other districts do this?

I feel for you, teachers!