Dartmouth College Class of 2028: White, Asian, Black and Native American Numbers FELL. Hispanic or Latinx ROSE

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….

[Anonymous]

Its all a bunch of Matt yglesias and alejandro mayorkas ie ashkenazis with a tinge of latino

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.

NP. Naw. In this example, the preference is given to an individual that demonstrated the ability overcome external forces working against them. In this case negative opinions of their race was the reason for the external forces against them. It's not a racial preference. It's a preference for the demonstration of grit, determination, etc. shown

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It's not either or. Admissions offices are giving weight to both grit/determination and to a personal experience that wouldn't be possible without specific racial identity.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.

NP. Naw. In this example, the preference is given to an individual that demonstrated the ability overcome external forces working against them. In this case negative opinions of their race was the reason for the external forces against them. It's not a racial preference. It's a preference for the demonstration of grit, determination, etc. shown

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….

DP. Not everything is written. And not everything is written digitally, specifically due to the possibility of electronic discovery. Times are changing indeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's not either or. Admissions offices are giving weight to both grit/determination and to a personal experience that wouldn't be possible without specific racial identity.

No, people can have other forces that work against them through which they exhibit grit/determination that is part of their lived experience. If I student overdose cancer, is that a preference for cancer sufferers. Or a student that overcomes an abusive home - preference for abused students?

The interest in the student is what did they learn, how did they grow, how has it impacted thier perspective, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

If there is a statistically significant difference between the URM kids who revealed their race in their applications and they did significantly better than applicants (with the same objective criteria) who didn't, then you might be able to develop a case. There are so many ways to uncover bias, this is not the bottleneck.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

It's giving preference to one's lived racial experience, regardless of race. That's still a racial preference.

PP here. Not under SFFA, it isn't. You have always been allowed to write about your personal experiences and nothing in the opinion says you cannot continue to write about them.
The school is not allowed to value black stories above white stories but you can write essays about race.

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….

DP. Not everything is written. And not everything is written digitally, specifically due to the possibility of electronic discovery. Times are changing indeed.

Failure to document the deliberation process with a resulting inexplicable racial disparity is not going to help a school's case.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Exactly.

It even says on the link

Note: Values do not total 100% as some students report more than one race or ethnicity. Underrepresented Backgrounds include Black or African American, Hispanic or Latinx, and Native or Indigenous students.

So you have Latinas who look like Alexis Bledel, Anya Taylor-Joy and Germans from Argentina.

But that doesn’t make them white. Taylor joy was born in Miami and raised in Buenos Aires- she’s jut a light skin Latina, kinda a natural consequence of colonization an European migration to Argentina

Anya identifies as White.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/anya-taylor-joy-argentina-queens-gambit-b1810984.html

Yes. the article states that she is a white...
Latina

WHITE.
WHITE.
WHITE.

That is what she identifies as. Argue with her.

NP. While the checkboxes are not relevant here, most Hispanic and Latinas in the US would check the white box or leave the race box blank. Mestizo - part indigenous, part white - is not an option.

Yes.
But in this scenario we are saying Dartmouth is full of Latinas who are actually White. I.e. Have recent European heritage.
So this still benefits White students, not the Latinas you truly need the boost

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….

DP. Not everything is written. And not everything is written digitally, specifically due to the possibility of electronic discovery. Times are changing indeed.

Failure to document the deliberation process with a resulting inexplicable racial disparity is not going to help a school's case.

Who bears the burden of proof? How does the plaintiff prove the racial disparity is inexplicable?

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Anonymous wrote:When that happens, IMO, it means they leaned heavily on the National Merit Hispanic Recognition Program designation in apps.

Which seems .. lazy?

Yes but it works

Works how? Plenty of kids claim to be Hispanic who are three generations away from speaking anything but English. It’s not making Dartmouth more diverse on anything but paper.

Wouldn't that be illegal? They aren't supposed to use race.

The Supreme Court has never ruled that consideration of race is "illegal" or otherwise impermissible.

In fact, the SFFA majority opinion noted that race-based admissions programs are okay "within the confines of narrow restrictions."

They found that the Harvard and UNC programs did not fall within those confines. That's it.

pretty sure they said that racial preferences are illegal.

Yeah, you clearly didn't read the majority opinion.

Just read section 6 of the opinion.

Racial preferences are illegal.

You can talk about how you overcame racism or how you assumed a leadership role in your ethnic community but the school cannot express a preference for a his[panic kid that assumed a leadership role in their community over an asian kid that did the same thing in their community. They cannot prefer one race over another.

What you and the Supreme Court described as permissible is still a racial preference.

No, it's not.

If you can replace the word hispanic with the word asian or white with exactly the same effect then it is not a racial preference.

If the story about how a hispanic kid assumed a leadership role in in their community is given more value than a similar story about how a white kid assumed a leadership role in their community, then it's a racial preference.

If a hispanic student's story about how they overcame racism is given more weight than a similar story by an asian about how they overcame racism, then it's racial preference.

How are you going to even prove this? They will judge the applicants on the strength of their essays.

Everything is digital now. Far easier to do now than it ever was….

DP. Not everything is written. And not everything is written digitally, specifically due to the possibility of electronic discovery. Times are changing indeed.

Everything is written digitally: they are called college essays.