If you are Asian, is it better not to list on your college application under race and leave as "preferred not to state?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.

The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.

This statement seems to assume that Asian students somehow are just robot test takers and aren’t participating in activities that all of these colleges say that they want in holistic admissions. That was completely debunked in the evidence in the Harvard Affirmative Action case where Asian applicants also scored the highest with respect to extracurricular activities.

I’m really tired of this common trope that these Asian applicants are rejected because all they’re providing are just grades and test scores without the holistic factors. That flatly isn’t true. Colleges just straight up wanted to depress the Asian share of their enrollment compared to their qualifications (and that includes the holistic factors beyond grades and test scores).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.

The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.

This statement seems to assume that Asian students somehow are just robot test takers and aren’t participating in activities that all of these colleges say that they want in holistic admissions. That was completely debunked in the evidence in the Harvard Affirmative Action case where Asian applicants also scored the highest with respect to extracurricular activities.

I’m really tired of this common trope that these Asian applicants are rejected because all they’re providing are just grades and test scores without the holistic factors. That flatly isn’t true. Colleges just straight up wanted to depress the Asian share of their enrollment compared to their qualifications (and that includes the holistic factors beyond grades and test scores).

+1. Idiots abound. We need to co-exist with them unfortunately.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.

They probably only need so many students exactly like this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.

Oh, thought it was piano. Oh well.

[Anonymous]

Of course it is

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:or does it matter anymore? I still feel Asians are not given a full fair chance even with the change in affirmative action.

That’s absurd and your feelings aren’t valid. Asians are wildly overrepresented at top colleges.

Thars your opinion of what ”represented" means. Asian high performers are absurdly under represented compared to other high performers.

That’s often bc AO see those “high performers” as one dimensional who don’t offer something else for the school - assume you are the OP of the holistic admissions thread too.

Certain “high performers” who are Asian don’t do well in holistic admissions, as they haven’t focused on creating an authentic unique non-stereotypical narrative or story.

Those with diverse interests (no STEM or piano ECs) will do well! Assimilated kids active in and outside of school with ECs that focus on human interaction… no loners.

There was a thread about Asian break dancers.

Try that EC.

Easy Ivy League acceptance!

[Anonymous]

Report it. If you don’t get in because you are Asian, would you want to go there anyway?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.

General Lee was Chinese?

Which General Lee?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Report it. If you don’t get in because you are Asian, would you want to go there anyway?

That would be every selective school in the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.

General Lee was Chinese?

Which General Lee?

A Korean General.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.

The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.

This statement seems to assume that Asian students somehow are just robot test takers and aren’t participating in activities that all of these colleges say that they want in holistic admissions. That was completely debunked in the evidence in the Harvard Affirmative Action case where Asian applicants also scored the highest with respect to extracurricular activities.

I’m really tired of this common trope that these Asian applicants are rejected because all they’re providing are just grades and test scores without the holistic factors. That flatly isn’t true. Colleges just straight up wanted to depress the Asian share of their enrollment compared to their qualifications (and that includes the holistic factors beyond grades and test scores).

So now extracurriculars have scores? They don't. There isn't a calculation of this score + this activity + these grades that will get you into these schools. Everyone thinks they have figured out the magic calculation but it doesn't exist. The reason is the schools do not HAVE to admit anyone. They simply don't.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.

The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.

This statement seems to assume that Asian students somehow are just robot test takers and aren’t participating in activities that all of these colleges say that they want in holistic admissions. That was completely debunked in the evidence in the Harvard Affirmative Action case where Asian applicants also scored the highest with respect to extracurricular activities.

I’m really tired of this common trope that these Asian applicants are rejected because all they’re providing are just grades and test scores without the holistic factors. That flatly isn’t true. Colleges just straight up wanted to depress the Asian share of their enrollment compared to their qualifications (and that includes the holistic factors beyond grades and test scores).

So now extracurriculars have scores? They don't.

Harvard was certainly scoring ECs. The admissions committee used a sort of algorithm to rate extracurriculars. It's actually not very hard. You medalled in the IMO? impressive. Your parents started a non-profit for you? Not impressive.

There isn't a calculation of this score + this activity + these grades that will get you into these schools. Everyone thinks they have figured out the magic calculation but it doesn't exist. The reason is the schools do not HAVE to admit anyone. They simply don't.

But they cannot make the decisions based on race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:they hate asians so much that they keep on accepting them in overwelmingly disppropotionate numbers.

reminds me of work, white male colleague/friend worried aloud whether he would make partner as a white male due to firm's commitment to diversity. even though every year the firm overwelmingly elevates white men.

the firm had, and has, 1 blk nonequity partner, 1 asian, maybe 2 latin, 1 gay, 30% women partners. meanwhile if a blk lady makes it, it is bc she is blk despite trend suggesting she must have been exceptional.

i told him they may not make him partner due to his inability to do math and discern appropriate conclusions from past data.

Asians may get accepted in disproportionate numbers, but they are even more disproportionately qualified.

https://satsuite.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/sat-percentile-ranks-gender-race-ethnicity.pdf
It's not even close.

The colleges determine what qualifies means in terms of admissions to their schools, not the people wanting admission. Just because you say that schools should only focus on tests and grades, doesn't mean that they have to. I can say they should focus on weight and height, and really really mean it, but doesn't mean schools have to believe this.

This statement seems to assume that Asian students somehow are just robot test takers and aren’t participating in activities that all of these colleges say that they want in holistic admissions. That was completely debunked in the evidence in the Harvard Affirmative Action case where Asian applicants also scored the highest with respect to extracurricular activities.

I’m really tired of this common trope that these Asian applicants are rejected because all they’re providing are just grades and test scores without the holistic factors. That flatly isn’t true. Colleges just straight up wanted to depress the Asian share of their enrollment compared to their qualifications (and that includes the holistic factors beyond grades and test scores).

So now extracurriculars have scores? They don't.

Harvard was certainly scoring ECs. The admissions committee used a sort of algorithm to rate extracurriculars. It's actually not very hard. You medalled in the IMO? impressive. Your parents started a non-profit for you? Not impressive.

There isn't a calculation of this score + this activity + these grades that will get you into these schools. Everyone thinks they have figured out the magic calculation but it doesn't exist. The reason is the schools do not HAVE to admit anyone. They simply don't.

But they cannot make the decisions based on race.

And they do not have to rack and stack by test scores. And yes, assigning value to ECs is not Mathematical no matter how much you want it to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: Report it. If you don’t get in because you are Asian, would you want to go there anyway?

This!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Don’t check the box.

But your name is Lee, you got an 800 math SAT, you have 15 APs, and your ECs are violin, tennis and robotics.

I think they’ll figure it out.

Oh, thought it was piano. Oh well.

One or the other. haha