Trump is awful but I want helicopter money and illegal immigration to stop

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Trump is awful and I think JD was the wrong pick. But I just can’t take Kamala seriously about the border and inflation. And these things do matter.
At least with Trump there is a chance of getting these huge problems fixed because there will be other individuals at the helm making things happen. With Kamala, not a chance.
We are so screwed.

I don't understand how Biden gets tagged with "helicopter money" and inflation. At least half the COVID stimulus money was proposed by Trump in 2020 and passed by that Congress. At best they share the blame equally for injecting too much stimulus into the economy. But I tend to be more charitable and believe that nobody understood how COVID would be a short-term economic disruption - at the time people were really afraid of a full-on depression.

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Anonymous wrote:You want to blow up inflation again and devalue the dollar?

Nice.

That happened under Biden. The BRICS Countries are fleeing our currency like a bad habit. They didn’t do that under Trump because they were scared of him

The BRICS countries are Russia and our enemies, generally. Who cares, they want to undermines the US predominance in the world, which is why they, and their mobbed up overlords favor crypto.

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Total CBP Enforcement Encounters:

FY17: 526,901

FY18: 683,178

FY19: 1,148,024

FY20: 646,822

FY21: 1,956,519

FY22: 2,766,582

FY23: 3,201,144

FY24YTD: 2,427,601

Biden has more than quadrupled border enforcement actions compared to Trumps in FY17. He has more than doubled enforcement actions over Trump's highest ever numbers.

The narrative that Biden and Harris aren't doing anything about the border is flat out right-wing lies. Yes, there have been more crossing attempts under Biden but much of that is largely out of his control. A US president can only do so much about situations in other countries that cause mass migration, and let's face it, even if he had done more the right wing media simply would have turned THAT into a negative. "Biden sending hard-earned US tax dollars to SOCIALIST Venezuela!"

If, and this is a big if, you are actually a confused and misinformed swing voter, please ,PLEASE take the time to educate yourself about the actual situation both directly at the border and in the greater sphere of the Americas that contributes to why the number of border crossings is what it is and was what it was.

And definitely take the time to educate yourself on what Trump actually did about the border when he was president, because the reality is that other than needlessly and pointlessly cruel policies like forced separation, his administration really did very little, and this is clear to anyone with common sense, because as soon as Biden took office, Trump and the GOP started hammering him on the "open border" and "record crossings." What, did a switch flip overnight on January 20th or something? Of course not, there was no effective or sustainable framework set up under Trump, so all of the "worst ever border" stuff Trump likes to harp on is simply a continuation of his lack of action.

“Encountering” migrants at the border isn’t a win when they are allowed entry into the country. I can’t believe you’re arguing those numbers are good for Biden.

The US has to process the people who are claiming asylum under international law. The GOP has refused to expand the number of administrative judges to do this, so instead of taking a few days or weeks, it takes months or years. if the GOP would have approved funding for this when it came up when Obama was president, it wouldn't be an issue today. if the GOP had approved in this past spring, it wouldn't be an issue by January. But instead the bleat on about it, get Fox to bleat on about it and people like you stay angry.

Solve the problem or vote for people who will solve the problem, but the bleating is just a BS ploy.

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Total CBP Enforcement Encounters:

FY17: 526,901

FY18: 683,178

FY19: 1,148,024

FY20: 646,822

FY21: 1,956,519

FY22: 2,766,582

FY23: 3,201,144

FY24YTD: 2,427,601

Biden has more than quadrupled border enforcement actions compared to Trumps in FY17. He has more than doubled enforcement actions over Trump's highest ever numbers.

The narrative that Biden and Harris aren't doing anything about the border is flat out right-wing lies. Yes, there have been more crossing attempts under Biden but much of that is largely out of his control. A US president can only do so much about situations in other countries that cause mass migration, and let's face it, even if he had done more the right wing media simply would have turned THAT into a negative. "Biden sending hard-earned US tax dollars to SOCIALIST Venezuela!"

If, and this is a big if, you are actually a confused and misinformed swing voter, please ,PLEASE take the time to educate yourself about the actual situation both directly at the border and in the greater sphere of the Americas that contributes to why the number of border crossings is what it is and was what it was.

And definitely take the time to educate yourself on what Trump actually did about the border when he was president, because the reality is that other than needlessly and pointlessly cruel policies like forced separation, his administration really did very little, and this is clear to anyone with common sense, because as soon as Biden took office, Trump and the GOP started hammering him on the "open border" and "record crossings." What, did a switch flip overnight on January 20th or something? Of course not, there was no effective or sustainable framework set up under Trump, so all of the "worst ever border" stuff Trump likes to harp on is simply a continuation of his lack of action.

“Encountering” migrants at the border isn’t a win when they are allowed entry into the country. I can’t believe you’re arguing those numbers are good for Biden.

+1

OP here. LOLing at the idea that trotting out those numbers makes Biden look good in anyway. It is such a disaster.

Honestly, Trump would not need to be a genius to fix these things. All we need to do is reinstate MPP and stop all the “free” money flowing out in the form of student loan forgiveness, cash assistance to migrants, and all the other ways money is flowing into the economy without an commensurate increase in actual productivity, goods, and services.

A lot could be achieved if we just stopped doing stupid stuff. No need to reinvent the wheel.

Trump abused MPP so it was no longer legally viable without a legislative fix, per the US court system. that is part of why the proposed legislation that TRUMP TORPEDOED was necessary.

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Anonymous wrote:Kamala says she’s not interested in prosecuting or stopping illegal entry which means she wants human trafficking, sex trafficking, drug trafficking cartels to win.

All of these things came to a screeching halt and significantly reduced under Trump because business was no longer booming with an open border in the US

She spent 15 years as a prosecutor and AG fighting cartels and drug traffickers. Please stop mischaracterizing her position. She hasn't changed. And stop watching Fox News. They are lying to you.

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Anonymous wrote:The border requires legislation and it has since Reagan was in office. At every change, the GOP has refused a bi-partisan solution, most recently when Trump jettisoned a bill that had 80% of what the GOP wanted.

That it is keeping you angry tells me their ploy is successful.

Inflation is a result of COVID and the subsequent bounceback. It is a global phenomenon. Inflation is better in the US than anywhere else in the world.

How do you reduce inflation? Bring down core costs. For housing, that means getting more built. The GOP opposed the government efforts to do this. it means bringing drug costs down. the GOP opposes the government getting involved with this. It means passing anti-price-gouging legislation. The GOP opposed such passage.

What is the GOP plan for the border? Pass the bill it opposed under Biden.

What is the GOP plan for inflation? Who knows. What we do know is that Trump wants to pass a VAT to replace the current tax system, which would be a boon for the upper class and an anchor for the lower and middle class. Trump also wants to increase tariffs, which is highly inflationary.

Please tell us what you think the GOP will do about the border and inflation.

To the bolded (as a conservative) it's also possible that it's just a hard problem to solve. I don't think the Ds have given good solutions either, right?

Right. But every time there is a bi-partisan bill that gets the country closer to a solution, the GOP opposes it. We don't have a dictator in the white house, so under the way our country is supposed to operate, we either need enough of a majority in the Senate, or just a handful of GOP senators want to vote to actually begin to address the problem. To date, that hasn't happened, but it also hasn't stopped the GOP from whining about it and getting people like the OP mad about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

COVID will do that.

It is also down currently. Where is your praise for the current lack of situation? Or is that only reserved for the GOP?

During Trump's term, there was one spike in illegal immigration (and that spike is less than what we have experienced under Biden and Harris). He took quick action.... he went to Mexico and was able to implement the stay in Mexico plan. That reduced immigration substantially. The pandemic wasn't until the end of his term. You cannot say "Covid will do that" when immigration was down his whole term.

So family separations and sending three year olds to court to argue their own cases is sound policy to you?

Tell me again about your pro-life values and your concern for children's safety.

The sound policy for me would be not let 3 years old to cross the border. Period. We have so much child trafficking now in US we barely can manage that poor children used as sex slaves here in US. Why do we need to bring more to suffer?

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

Please articulate how migrants seeking asylum are affecting your daily life.

I’m a Democrat and I will be voting for Harris/Walz. But you’re actually nuts if you’re serious about this question. I live in NYC and the crisis is everywhere. A direct impact on me is that the city had to cut funding to every city service by 5-10% to fund shelter and services for migrants. I don’t have kids in the public school system, but the influx of high-need, low-income, non-English speaking kids is another direct impact on NYC children whose parents are taxpayers.

I pay a LOT in taxes, and I’m happy to, for a well-run city with good services. I have no choice but to fund this, and obviously once they’ve arrived in NYC, it’s better to have them housed and fed than have depression-esque tent cities everywhere, but they shouldn’t be here at all. The asylum system is a total joke.

Obviously I get that a legislative solution is needed and that the GOP isn’t operating in good faith on this, but Democrats’ messaging (both domestically and externally, to potential migrants) needs to change. There is definitely a perception that the Democrats are the “compassionate” ones on this issue and that a Democratic administration will not take border security seriously. I’d like to see the Remain in Mexico policy put back in place as a starting point. Trump was actually right on that one.

Please remember that employed but undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

Correct. https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-immigrants-taxes-rent-vaccine-requirements-983035929946

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Anonymous wrote:Trump didn't do anything good for his entire term and he still won't do anything good the second time around. Still waiting on my "beautiful healthcare plan".

There were far far fewer migrants with faux asylum claims coming in under Trump. That is a fact.

Please articulate how migrants seeking asylum are affecting your daily life.

I’m a Democrat and I will be voting for Harris/Walz. But you’re actually nuts if you’re serious about this question. I live in NYC and the crisis is everywhere. A direct impact on me is that the city had to cut funding to every city service by 5-10% to fund shelter and services for migrants. I don’t have kids in the public school system, but the influx of high-need, low-income, non-English speaking kids is another direct impact on NYC children whose parents are taxpayers.

I pay a LOT in taxes, and I’m happy to, for a well-run city with good services. I have no choice but to fund this, and obviously once they’ve arrived in NYC, it’s better to have them housed and fed than have depression-esque tent cities everywhere, but they shouldn’t be here at all. The asylum system is a total joke.

Obviously I get that a legislative solution is needed and that the GOP isn’t operating in good faith on this, but Democrats’ messaging (both domestically and externally, to potential migrants) needs to change. There is definitely a perception that the Democrats are the “compassionate” ones on this issue and that a Democratic administration will not take border security seriously. I’d like to see the Remain in Mexico policy put back in place as a starting point. Trump was actually right on that one.

Please remember that employed but undocumented immigrants pay taxes.

Some do. I’m not talking about sales taxes, I’m talking about income and payroll taxes that are paid by people who earn their income on the books. Which is typically not the case for undocumented immigrants, who for obvious reasons tend to work cash jobs. I wouldn’t say it’s universal, and the newly-arrived migrants are certainly not paying state and city income taxes on the whole.

There are billions of dollars paid into this system by undocumented workers who use fake SSN etc to gain employment who will never draw on these benefits. Documented fact, look it up.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s funny how the GOP just becomes concerned about illegal immigration during election time.

And they’re only concerned about government spending when the President is a Democrat.

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Anonymous wrote:The only real thing Trump does re the border is inflame xenophobia.

But I actually do not see immigration has the dire issue that R's seem to think it is.

+1

if it were the actual problem the GOP claims, they would have passed their own bill to being to solve it.

they didn't.

That tells me they are FOS.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump is awful and I think JD was the wrong pick. But I just can’t take Kamala seriously about the border and inflation. And these things do matter.
At least with Trump there is a chance of getting these huge problems fixed because there will be other individuals at the helm making things happen. With Kamala, not a chance.
We are so screwed.

I don't understand how Biden gets tagged with "helicopter money" and inflation. At least half the COVID stimulus money was proposed by Trump in 2020 and passed by that Congress. At best they share the blame equally for injecting too much stimulus into the economy. But I tend to be more charitable and believe that nobody understood how COVID would be a short-term economic disruption - at the time people were really afraid of a full-on depression.

There was a good case for the 2020 money distributions because at the end of April 2020 unemployment spiked at 14.8%. But, after the stimulus, it very rapidly decreased and stood at 6.2% at the end of January 2021, and was on a steep decline. Likewise, there was a significant dip in GDP second quarter 2020 from end 2019 GDP. But, by the end of 2020, GDP was higher than it had been at the end of 2019.

The 2020 stimulus did its job in getting unemployment and GDP back on track. No further stimulus was necessary and could only be inflationary as Larry Summers warned about Biden's American Rescue Plan.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know how anyone can look at Trump and say he's the better choice because there's an immigration problem that Republicans refuse to address (other than constant squawking about it).

Hi, let me introduce myself. I 100 percent think Trump is the better option. The Democrats are actively hostile to the idea of solving the problem. They actually want more of the problem. It is a no brainer to support Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:The border requires legislation and it has since Reagan was in office. At every change, the GOP has refused a bi-partisan solution, most recently when Trump jettisoned a bill that had 80% of what the GOP wanted.

That it is keeping you angry tells me their ploy is successful.

Inflation is a result of COVID and the subsequent bounceback. It is a global phenomenon. Inflation is better in the US than anywhere else in the world.


How do you reduce inflation? Bring down core costs. For housing, that means getting more built. The GOP opposed the government efforts to do this. it means bringing drug costs down. the GOP opposes the government getting involved with this. It means passing anti-price-gouging legislation. The GOP opposed such passage.

What is the GOP plan for the border? Pass the bill it opposed under Biden.

What is the GOP plan for inflation? Who knows. What we do know is that Trump wants to pass a VAT to replace the current tax system, which would be a boon for the upper class and an anchor for the lower and middle class. Trump also wants to increase tariffs, which is highly inflationary.

Please tell us what you think the GOP will do about the border and inflation.

Came here to say exactly this.

There is no such thing as a "bipartisan" solution. The Democrats do not want a solution. They want to increase the problem. To the extent these "solutions" you speak of purported to do anything, the Democrats will immediately turn around and ensure that any enforcment is non-existent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:According to Trump, the way to bring down inflation is to "drill, baby, drill".

Should be pretty obvious that increasing the supply of readily available energy sources will decrease costs for energy consumers (manufacturers, airlines, power producers, consumers, etc.).