notre dame vs BC

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I don’t. I always think they must do something right to churn out so many happy customers. Either they know whom to admit or it’s a school that spends a lot of effort on student satisfaction.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is a significantly more prestigious school than Boston College. And a much tougher admit.

Agree completely, not even close

I am a college professor and I don't agree on the prestige comment at all. They both have always been beloved schools with happy students/alums and relatively easy admits for undergrads. They have become harder admits pretty recently. You can't just declare prestige by looking at admissions rates (see: Northeastern). These two schools are very similar prestige-wise, with BC having the historical advantage despite being 4th or 5th in its own city.

BC is not considered more prestigious than Northeastern unless you traveled back to and posting from 1980s.

ND > BC = Northeastern.

OMG NEU booster is back? So does this means BC-Northeastern=Harvard?

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is a significantly more prestigious school than Boston College. And a much tougher admit.

Agree completely, not even close

I am a college professor and I don't agree on the prestige comment at all. They both have always been beloved schools with happy students/alums and relatively easy admits for undergrads. They have become harder admits pretty recently. You can't just declare prestige by looking at admissions rates (see: Northeastern). These two schools are very similar prestige-wise, with BC having the historical advantage despite being 4th or 5th in its own city.

BC is not considered more prestigious than Northeastern unless you traveled back to and posting from 1980s.

ND > BC = Northeastern.

OMG NEU booster is back? So does this means BC-Northeastern=Harvard?

Wake the F up

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For admissions/level of student:

1. Georgetown
2. Notre Dame
3. BC

People who say 1 and 2 about the same, but only looking at admissions rate when we all know applications themselves are self-selective. Look, for example, at median SAT scores. Georgetown's are higher even though they REQUIRE test scores. Meaning, the true average would be much, much higher.

Notre Dame and BC are much closer when you break down the numbers. It does come down to personal preference. BC is Jesuit and will have more left-leaning Catholics and non-Catholics than ND.

Georgetown SAT 25/50/75: 1390/1480/1530
Georgetown ACT 25/50/75: 32/33/34
Graduating in top 10% of class: 87%

Notre Dame SAT 25/75: 1440/1540
Notre Dame ACT 25/75: 32/35
Graduating in top 10% of class: 92%

Georgetown's SAT scores are not higher than ND, per common data set.

ND's scores are higher than BC's (25/75: 1430/1510).

I don't think scores are the be all and end all, but they're not worth lying about either

ND’s yield blows Georgetown out of the water. This is a more important comparison than any made above (not to mention that ND will have a higher standard of extracurriculars).

% Catholic at ND is 80, G’Town has half of that number. This is why.

You really think Georgetown’s non-Catholic yield rate is comparable to Notre Dame’s non-Catholic yield rate? Think again.

[Anonymous]

Dorm life/culture is huge at Notre Dame. They almost function like frats/sororities. people often become very attached to their hall and identify with it, and there are a lot of dorm-based events such as formals, interhall sports, etc. Students of all grade levels live in each dorm, as opposed to most schools where you have the freshman dorms, sophomore dorms, upper class housing, etc.

Also, I would say campus-based life is a bigger deal at ND than it is a lot of other places. Of course, a lot of this is a function of location - ND is really the focal point of South Bend whereas if you’re in, say, Boston, there are obviously tons of things to do that would draw students off campus. Not saying BC has bad campus life, but ND’s dorm culture and campus-oriented social life is just different.

[Anonymous]

I agree w the above and it’s why I think ND is a really good system for guys. Girls can make friends anywhere. They’re better at it. But ND provides a less fratty frat w their residential system. Letting you bind and get advice from older guys etc. Yale and Rice too … if I were a college, I’d push to move towards this. Guys struggled w isolation during covid and lots of guys roll onto campus w their video games ready to isolate more. A residential dorm really gets you out of that.

This is also why I think guys are more ND-crazy than women. It’s where they met their people

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Anonymous wrote:For admissions/level of student:

1. Georgetown
2. Notre Dame
3. BC

People who say 1 and 2 about the same, but only looking at admissions rate when we all know applications themselves are self-selective. Look, for example, at median SAT scores. Georgetown's are higher even though they REQUIRE test scores. Meaning, the true average would be much, much higher.

Notre Dame and BC are much closer when you break down the numbers. It does come down to personal preference. BC is Jesuit and will have more left-leaning Catholics and non-Catholics than ND.

Georgetown SAT 25/50/75: 1390/1480/1530
Georgetown ACT 25/50/75: 32/33/34
Graduating in top 10% of class: 87%

Notre Dame SAT 25/75: 1440/1540
Notre Dame ACT 25/75: 32/35
Graduating in top 10% of class: 92%

Georgetown's SAT scores are not higher than ND, per common data set.

ND's scores are higher than BC's (25/75: 1430/1510).

I don't think scores are the be all and end all, but they're not worth lying about either

ND’s yield blows Georgetown out of the water. This is a more important comparison than any made above (not to mention that ND will have a higher standard of extracurriculars).

% Catholic at ND is 80, G’Town has half of that number. This is why.

You really think Georgetown’s non-Catholic yield rate is comparable to Notre Dame’s non-Catholic yield rate? Think again.

It implies ND’s applicants are more self selected .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree w the above and it’s why I think ND is a really good system for guys. Girls can make friends anywhere. They’re better at it. But ND provides a less fratty frat w their residential system. Letting you bind and get advice from older guys etc. Yale and Rice too … if I were a college, I’d push to move towards this. Guys struggled w isolation during covid and lots of guys roll onto campus w their video games ready to isolate more. A residential dorm really gets you out of that.

This is also why I think guys are more ND-crazy than women. It’s where they met their people

Most top colleges have very close knit dorm communities.

[Anonymous]

Really? A dorm community you stay in for 4 years w kids from all years? So you can receive guidance as a freshman and then provide guidance as an upperclassman about things like classes, dating, socializing? Like the PP described? News to me.

[Anonymous]

Female ND grad who just spent a long weekend with 4 of my dormmates from 25 years ago. It's a different system but when it works, it works incredibly well.

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Anonymous wrote:Really? A dorm community you stay in for 4 years w kids from all years? So you can receive guidance as a freshman and then provide guidance as an upperclassman about things like classes, dating, socializing? Like the PP described? News to me.

Many schools have strong freshman year housing communities and people choose to stay with those people for 4 years. Even then, what you're describing is at many top schools, though 3 years not far see....Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Rice, literally any residential college system ever. Can also be suffocating if you, you know, don't like those people.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame is a significantly more prestigious school than Boston College. And a much tougher admit.

Agree completely, not even close

I am a college professor and I don't agree on the prestige comment at all. They both have always been beloved schools with happy students/alums and relatively easy admits for undergrads. They have become harder admits pretty recently. You can't just declare prestige by looking at admissions rates (see: Northeastern). These two schools are very similar prestige-wise, with BC having the historical advantage despite being 4th or 5th in its own city.

BC is not considered more prestigious than Northeastern unless you traveled back to and posting from 1980s.

ND > BC = Northeastern.

Than. Northeastern? You are nuts. Not even in the same conversation. In Boston NE is below Harvard, mit, BC, tufts, BU, and Umass.

Northeastern is like uri, unh and the like.

Agreed - except for the last part. I'd put Northeastern after BU. And it's definitely better than URI for STEM

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Anonymous wrote:They both beautiful and great options. The thing I’ve noticed is that being a nd grad seems to be a huge part of adult life for a lot of alumni, to the point if it being a personality trait. I don’t think that’s true for bc.

BC has a very strong alumni presence and bonding. Go anywhere in the world with BC gear and BC alum will seek you out to talk. Also in employment - BC alum seek out and welcome others.

Although I hear you on the ND personality trait - it can be akin to Duke in that way. That said - in Boston - being a BC alum leans more towards the "personality trait" level - especially for outsiders (but still not like ND).

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Anonymous wrote:Really? A dorm community you stay in for 4 years w kids from all years? So you can receive guidance as a freshman and then provide guidance as an upperclassman about things like classes, dating, socializing? Like the PP described? News to me.

It was an amazing system. A senior across the hall took me and my roommate under her wing our freshman year and really helped us adjust. We formed really close relationships across the years through interhall sports as well. We had upperclassmen who looked out for us, and we, in turn, did the same when we were upperclassmen. And it was all random. There was no pledging or rushing. You were assigned a dorm and found your people. You could transfer dorms if you wanted, but it was pretty rare.

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Anonymous wrote:Has this been asked a million times? I searched and didn't see it.

I feel like I have a pretty good grasp on kids and culture (have had plenty of family in both), but I'm interested in two things:

selectivity - is one a much harder admit than another?
and reputation in the business and government world - they have engaged alumni networks, but is one thought of as more prestigious. I think ND was but not sure anymore.

Thanks

If your kid can get into both of these schools, they should go to the one they like the most. They likely have the academic and social skills to succeed in life either way. While both are Catholic, and maybe attract some of the same applicants on that dimension, they are quite different schools and experiences. Kids at both are happy. Don't worry about rankings.