What's up with the guy from DC who got caught trying to help a coup in the Congo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He was not a "kid". He is a grown man capable of making his own decisions. I don't know why the media wants to infantilize a grown man.

Anyway I'm not buying his story and I'm glad the Congolese police captured them.

People need to learn & accept that you cannot do whatever you want to do in other countries.

Oh I can think why. Although I will say that it's the stepmom calling him a kid, not the media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s a really stupid decision. And I don’t see why the US would help someone who literally took up arms against a foreign country as a fun summer project. You do that kind of thing you’re on your own. I feel bad for the family though.

The US will provide consular assistance to him as they would provide it to any citizen. Consular assistance means you get a visit from a consular officer to make sure your human rights aren't being violated, check on your health, etc. You are subject to the laws of the country you are in, so the State Department will try to make sure you are given the rights you are entitled to in that country, which may be different than ours.

If the State Department makes a determination that you are wrongfully detained they will pressure the country detaining you to release you. This doesn't seem like such a case.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a really stupid decision. And I don’t see why the US would help someone who literally took up arms against a foreign country as a fun summer project. You do that kind of thing you’re on your own. I feel bad for the family though.

The US will provide consular assistance to him as they would provide it to any citizen. Consular assistance means you get a visit from a consular officer to make sure your human rights aren't being violated, check on your health, etc. You are subject to the laws of the country you are in, so the State Department will try to make sure you are given the rights you are entitled to in that country, which may be different than ours.

If the State Department makes a determination that you are wrongfully detained they will pressure the country detaining you to release you. This doesn't seem like such a case.

If you are lucky enough to be sympathetic to garner political support, they will make efforts to secure your release, like the Turks and Caicos ammo couple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Saying the quiet part aloud: do you think the two Americans were invited for a "vacation", then coerced?

Nope, I don't see why these two would be coerced into a coup. What would the coup organizers gain from a felon and nondescript 21 y/o from Utah?

[Anonymous]

The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

[Anonymous]

She knew nothing about his activities.

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

This guy had zero chance of being successful at his “coup” attempt. He’s not a serious enough player to be on intelligence’s radar.

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

This guy had zero chance of being successful at his “coup” attempt. He’s not a serious enough player to be on intelligence’s radar.

Does it help or hurt US national security interests with the DRC that a DRC national that we took in as a refugee planned and plotted a coup attempt from the US and employing US nationals?

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

This guy had zero chance of being successful at his “coup” attempt. He’s not a serious enough player to be on intelligence’s radar.

Does it help or hurt US national security interests with the DRC that a DRC national that we took in as a refugee planned and plotted a coup attempt from the US and employing US nationals?

Generally, the government of a nation would prefer if their political opponents become exiles.

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

This guy had zero chance of being successful at his “coup” attempt. He’s not a serious enough player to be on intelligence’s radar.

Does it help or hurt US national security interests with the DRC that a DRC national that we took in as a refugee planned and plotted a coup attempt from the US and employing US nationals?

Generally, the government of a nation would prefer if their political opponents become exiles.

There’s your opinion and then there’s actual experts in diplomacy and US-Congo relations.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/puzzling-attempted-coup-drc

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:She knew nothing about his activities.

He is probably CIA. The CIA and FBI heavily recruit from Utah and Mormon communities because of their allegiance to the Babylonian American system.

No he is about to meet his fate. He won't make it back here but he probably knew that when he signed up to serve.

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Anonymous wrote:The interesting thing about this case is that it ends any argument that the US asylum and refugee resettlement process is not letting in people who are a national security risk.

What risk to US national security did any of these folks pose?

You don’t think that there are US national security interests with the DRC?

This guy had zero chance of being successful at his “coup” attempt. He’s not a serious enough player to be on intelligence’s radar.

Does it help or hurt US national security interests with the DRC that a DRC national that we took in as a refugee planned and plotted a coup attempt from the US and employing US nationals?

Generally, the government of a nation would prefer if their political opponents become exiles.

There’s your opinion and then there’s actual experts in diplomacy and US-Congo relations.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/puzzling-attempted-coup-drc

Is the argument that this guy organizing a coup from the US didn’t hurt diplomatic relations and national security? Wow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She knew nothing about his activities.

He is probably CIA. The CIA and FBI heavily recruit from Utah and Mormon communities because of their allegiance to the Babylonian American system.

No he is about to meet his fate. He won't make it back here but he probably knew that when he signed up to serve.

Way too stupid to be CIA