MoCo getting poorer: 1 out of 2 new households earns under $50k

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What prompted you to cite a study that is 4 years old based on data that is at least six?

Not only that, home prices have gone up in the past six years; they are building new multi unit homes all over the place, many with a starting price of $850K+.

I'm thinking .. people who make < $50K are not the ones buying all those new builds.

Schools are overcrowded, and not just the poor areas. Most of the schools on the western side are over capacity, too.

MoCo is expensive. The poor are being pushed out. I do agree that MD needs to stop welcoming so many illegal immigrants. We have enough people living here who can't afford it. Importing more poor people also pushes out the already poor due to demand for services and lower priced housing.

Anyone who has lived in this county for at least a decade know this is false.

Gaithersburg used to be middle class with a small area around Montgomery Village that was low income. Now Gaithersburg is almost all low income except for Kentlands. And not only is is low income, about half the murders in the county occur there.

Clarksburg was initially criticized for promoting classic white flight suburban sprawl. Clarksburg is now basically a middle to lower middle class Black community.

Downtown Silver Spring has become absolutely ghetto. There was a time before Veterans Plaza that site was just an open turn field where young white families would have picnics and their kids would play lacrosse on a Friday evening. It’s hard to believe that was only 2011, it was all so Mayberry. There is no way I would ever hang out in Vetrans Plaza today with young kids on a Friday night.

They you’re lucky enough to live in Chevy Chase or Bethesda, your neighborhood has been static and actually a little poorer. Downtown Bethesda used to have two fur shops. Now it has none.

The only neighborhood that has actually improved and gotten richer over this period seems to be the Takoma Park Historic District. Go figure.

lol did you just base the wealth of Bethesda off fur shops?

Mink hasn’t been a thing in 25yrs.

We lost a fur shop and Stromboli pizza. the horror.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Income inequality is increasing in our entire country. This isn't new for MoCo. The rich are getting richer, prices of everything from groceries to rent are increasing so the poor are staying stagnant or getting poorer.

Except the rich in MoCo are not getting richer. They are moving out.

If you check housing prices in supposed rich areas of MoCo, it is common to see many houses have not exceeded housing bubble pre-GFC highs of 2006. This is not true for affluent areas in DC or Fairfax.

Do you have any citations for your premise that the rise in cost of homes in "rich areas" is lagging behind other neighboring areas? I have seen no such statistic and have not anecdotally seen a large SFH that has not gone up in price astronomically (absent individual discrete issues)

As a secondary point, I don't think all would agree that the extremely wealthy leaving the county is a bad thing. I would be completely happy if MoCo was trending toward less homes in the 8 or high 7 digits and more homes in the middle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Income inequality is increasing in our entire country. This isn't new for MoCo. The rich are getting richer, prices of everything from groceries to rent are increasing so the poor are staying stagnant or getting poorer.

Except the rich in MoCo are not getting richer. They are moving out.

If you check housing prices in supposed rich areas of MoCo, it is common to see many houses have not exceeded housing bubble pre-GFC highs of 2006. This is not true for affluent areas in DC or Fairfax.

Do you have any citations for your premise that the rise in cost of homes in "rich areas" is lagging behind other neighboring areas? I have seen no such statistic and have not anecdotally seen a large SFH that has not gone up in price astronomically (absent individual discrete issues)

As a secondary point, I don't think all would agree that the extremely wealthy leaving the county is a bad thing. I would be completely happy if MoCo was trending toward less homes in the 8 or high 7 digits and more homes in the middle.

There's a small contingent of posters on DCUM that believes that doing what rich people want should be the first goal of public policy. With the corollary second goal of not doing what rich people don't want.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sure when you let in thousands of uneducated people of course it’s getting poorer. Everywhere needs dishwashers and maids and cooks but not every state wants them to live there. Maryland has welcomed them and look at your schools. They are a disaster for the most part.

So, where should they live? "Somewhere else" and "Over there" are not places people can live.

Wrong! They can live in PG county, Charles County, Baltimore and elsewhere

So you think that black and hispanic people shouldn't live anywhere near you and "your kind"? Is that it? You realize how racist you sound?

Are you saying that all black and Hispanic people are poor? Do you realize how racist you sound?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Income inequality is increasing in our entire country. This isn't new for MoCo. The rich are getting richer, prices of everything from groceries to rent are increasing so the poor are staying stagnant or getting poorer.

Except the rich in MoCo are not getting richer. They are moving out.

If you check housing prices in supposed rich areas of MoCo, it is common to see many houses have not exceeded housing bubble pre-GFC highs of 2006. This is not true for affluent areas in DC or Fairfax.

Then who is buying all these new builds starting at $850K? The poors?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure when you let in thousands of uneducated people of course it’s getting poorer. Everywhere needs dishwashers and maids and cooks but not every state wants them to live there. Maryland has welcomed them and look at your schools. They are a disaster for the most part.

So, where should they live? "Somewhere else" and "Over there" are not places people can live.

Wrong! They can live in PG county, Charles County, Baltimore and elsewhere

So you think that black and hispanic people shouldn't live anywhere near you and "your kind"? Is that it? You realize how racist you sound?

Are you saying that all black and Hispanic people are poor? Do you realize how racist you sound?

Allow me to quote page 1-12:41

“Clarksburg was initially criticized for promoting classic white flight suburban sprawl. Clarksburg is now basically a middle to lower middle class Black community.

Downtown Silver Spring has become absolutely ghetto. There was a time before Veterans Plaza that site was just an open turn field where young white families would have picnics and their kids would play lacrosse on a Friday evening. It’s hard to believe that was only 2011, it was all so Mayberry.”

If that didn’t set the racist one then what would? Why didn’t you say anything about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure when you let in thousands of uneducated people of course it’s getting poorer. Everywhere needs dishwashers and maids and cooks but not every state wants them to live there. Maryland has welcomed them and look at your schools. They are a disaster for the most part.

So, where should they live? "Somewhere else" and "Over there" are not places people can live.

Wrong! They can live in PG county, Charles County, Baltimore and elsewhere

So you think that black and hispanic people shouldn't live anywhere near you and "your kind"? Is that it? You realize how racist you sound?

Are you saying that all black and Hispanic people are poor? Do you realize how racist you sound?

It’s quite a slap in the face for them since they often, because of systematic racism, have to work harder than everyone else to get where they are. Now they are supposed to sit there and watch the nuts destroy their property values and the quiet enjoyment of their neighborhoods and schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure when you let in thousands of uneducated people of course it’s getting poorer. Everywhere needs dishwashers and maids and cooks but not every state wants them to live there. Maryland has welcomed them and look at your schools. They are a disaster for the most part.

So, where should they live? "Somewhere else" and "Over there" are not places people can live.

Wrong! They can live in PG county, Charles County, Baltimore and elsewhere

So you think that black and hispanic people shouldn't live anywhere near you and "your kind"? Is that it? You realize how racist you sound?

Are you saying that all black and Hispanic people are poor? Do you realize how racist you sound?

It’s quite a slap in the face for them since they often, because of systematic racism, have to work harder than everyone else to get where they are. Now they are supposed to sit there and watch the nuts destroy their property values and the quiet enjoyment of their neighborhoods and schools.

Yes, YIMBYs are the true racists. They only want rich people with gated neighborhoods, private security, and kids in private school to have liveable communities.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SFHs are too expensive for the MC and there aren't that many of them. Most construction is multi family.

You’ve just proven the OPs point. Average prices for SFHs in Montgomery County are the second cheapest in the DMV, only behind PG County.

Comparatively it’s one of the most affordable places to live in the region. So the only reason it’s unaffordable is because the population is poor.

But note that MoCo used to be one of the more expensive places to live in the DMV. It is sliding compared to its neighbors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Income inequality is increasing in our entire country. This isn't new for MoCo. The rich are getting richer, prices of everything from groceries to rent are increasing so the poor are staying stagnant or getting poorer.

Except the rich in MoCo are not getting richer. They are moving out.

If you check housing prices in supposed rich areas of MoCo, it is common to see many houses have not exceeded housing bubble pre-GFC highs of 2006. This is not true for affluent areas in DC or Fairfax.

Do you have any citations for your premise that the rise in cost of homes in "rich areas" is lagging behind other neighboring areas? I have seen no such statistic and have not anecdotally seen a large SFH that has not gone up in price astronomically (absent individual discrete issues)

As a secondary point, I don't think all would agree that the extremely wealthy leaving the county is a bad thing. I would be completely happy if MoCo was trending toward less homes in the 8 or high 7 digits and more homes in the middle.

The problem is that the top 1% pay a huge percentage of the income taxes. CA and NY fully understand this dynamic. At the federal level, top 1% paid roughly 45% of all income taxes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sure when you let in thousands of uneducated people of course it’s getting poorer. Everywhere needs dishwashers and maids and cooks but not every state wants them to live there. Maryland has welcomed them and look at your schools. They are a disaster for the most part.

So, where should they live? "Somewhere else" and "Over there" are not places people can live.

Wrong! They can live in PG county, Charles County, Baltimore and elsewhere

So you think that black and hispanic people shouldn't live anywhere near you and "your kind"? Is that it? You realize how racist you sound?

Are you saying that all black and Hispanic people are poor? Do you realize how racist you sound?

Of course she is. And they are only good for slave labor, because they are all also uneducated and willing to do anything for a dollar.

Real gem, this one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:SFHs are too expensive for the MC and there aren't that many of them. Most construction is multi family.

You’ve just proven the OPs point. Average prices for SFHs in Montgomery County are the second cheapest in the DMV, only behind PG County.

Comparatively it’s one of the most affordable places to live in the region. So the only reason it’s unaffordable is because the population is poor.

But note that MoCo used to be one of the more expensive places to live in the DMV. It is sliding compared to its neighbors.

My house value in MoCo has gone up, even if it's not as much as McLean. House values all over MoCo have gone up, but wages haven't kept up. That's what makes it unaffordable for a lot of people.

[Anonymous]

Why do you think they need to up one Silver Spring yet again like the other thread describes?

The county invites in tons of poverty, now they realize there’s no where to put them. Their solution of course is to ruin neighborhoods and create shanty towns and favelas everywhere.


Typical progressive logic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why do you think they need to up one Silver Spring yet again like the other thread describes?

The county invites in tons of poverty, now they realize there’s no where to put them. Their solution of course is to ruin neighborhoods and create shanty towns and favelas everywhere.


Typical progressive logic. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

How? In the mail? With an e-vite? Maybe an Eventbrite event? Is this like the feminist agenda that I kept looking for in my mailbox in the 1990s, but never found? Or maybe the race card that has been missing from every deck of cards I've ever bought (and I keep looking for it, too)?