CA law looking to abolish Clear

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

But you have the option to pay for it. just like at airline checkin/luggage checkin. The regular/economy attendants will often pull from the First class/Business class/elite airline members line if it gets too long, thus "cutting in front of you". Happens all the time. Dont' like it you can become an elite airline member or pay for first/busniess class

Why should you be able to pay a private business to receive favorable treatment from the federal government?

That's life. You can pay for your own lawyer or use a public defendant.

^ defender. You can also pay a tax attorney to help you with your taxes. There are all kinds of short cuts available to people with money. You know this.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

They aren't cutting if they paid for the service. If if bothers you so much pay for it yourself. I could not care less if people are "cutting" because at best they get to wait for the same flight 8 minutes more at the gate than I do. So what? They will probably even board before me because they are 1K, or first class, or in a wheel chair, or with their family, or all the other reasons people get to cut lines. BFD.

The question is why is this private company being given priority access to a taxpayer-funded resource? I mean, that's really a rhetorical question, the answer is "because America," but California is rightly calling this out as BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

+10000

Or you are free to pay for clear (or get a CC that gives you free clear access/pays for it for you).

It's also annoying to stand at TSA pre and get cutoff by 20 flight attendants going trhu for their flight. It happens all the time. They get priority because they are "employees"---there is no separate area for just employees, typically....it's just a TSA pre area, often one that also has clear.

You do understand that the flight attendants have a legitimate business reason to move to the front of the line, right? This isn't the same thing at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

No the lines would be longer for the only TSA pre people. As they'd just take a current TSA Pre and Clear line and make it TSA PRE and CLEAR Only line. Routing the tsapre only people to another line that already exists. So you'd wait longer.

In reality, if you don't like people "Cutting" in front of you, you are free to purchase clear and enjoy the perks. Just like you chose to purchase TSA pre so you don't have to stand in the hour long line and remove your shoes/electronics/etc. It's a choice. If you don't want to pay you don't have to

I don't actually have a strong opinion on it, because I have Clear and have found it mostly not worthwhile recently, like the linked article from the OP. I get it for free from a credit card and would not pay anything for it out of pocket at this point.

That said, I honestly think the substantive issue is quite literally the discomfort of the line cutting- having someone physically step in front of you. It feels deeply offensive to people. In a way that just having totally separate lines doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

No the lines would be longer for the only TSA pre people. As they'd just take a current TSA Pre and Clear line and make it TSA PRE and CLEAR Only line. Routing the tsapre only people to another line that already exists. So you'd wait longer.

In reality, if you don't like people "Cutting" in front of you, you are free to purchase clear and enjoy the perks. Just like you chose to purchase TSA pre so you don't have to stand in the hour long line and remove your shoes/electronics/etc. It's a choice. If you don't want to pay you don't have to

I don't actually have a strong opinion on it, because I have Clear and have found it mostly not worthwhile recently, like the linked article from the OP. I get it for free from a credit card and would not pay anything for it out of pocket at this point.

That said, I honestly think the substantive issue is quite literally the discomfort of the line cutting- having someone physically step in front of you. It feels deeply offensive to people. In a way that just having totally separate lines doesn't.

I find it less offensive than in pretty much every other instance. They aren't getting anywhere faster they are just waiting less in one area and will go wait more somewhere else. I have precheck and I don't alter my airport arrival time anticipating a very short wait. But there are so many other examples where people can pay to cut the line, and actually save time. There's just not much advantage at the airport.

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Last time I was at DCA the Clear line was way longer than the TSA-Pre line. We are TSA-Pre and got to the front of the line before the Clear folks who joined the line at the same time were only halfway to the front of their line.

So this opens up an opportunity for another private start up company called "Ultra Clear". When you pay for "ultra clear" you will get to go to the head of the "Clear line".

I know someone who started the "clear" business and he is making a ton of money so I think "Ultra Clear" would rake it in.

Isn't America great?

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Last time I was at DCA the Clear line was way longer than the TSA-Pre line. We are TSA-Pre and got to the front of the line before the Clear folks who joined the line at the same time were only halfway to the front of their line.

So this opens up an opportunity for another private start up company called "Ultra Clear". When you pay for "ultra clear" you will get to go to the head of the "Clear line".

I know someone who started the "clear" business and he is making a ton of money so I think "Ultra Clear" would rake it in.

Isn't America great?

No that naming is wrong. It's going to be Clear Diamond.

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^^ you win

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We have it b/c of CC and I just got pre. Like pre better except maybe DCA. Clear there is really short but again, just got pre. Pre at IAD was bliss. No wait!

[Anonymous]

We have Pre and use it often at both DCA terminals. I've never had an issue with line cutters from Clear. Is this more of an issue during business travel times?

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

+1 if the clear people just waited in line with the rest of pre-check I wouldn't care but I hate to get to the front of pre-check just to have these people cut in front. Get your own line or eliminate it.

It also creates issues. Anyone who has ever flown out of Orlando has seen how Clear bogs down the lines when they try to find an open spot. I'm convinced that's why Orlando is a nightmare.

[Anonymous]

I feel like there just is one person making most of the anti-clear posts. It feels a little crazy to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

+1 if the clear people just waited in line with the rest of pre-check I wouldn't care but I hate to get to the front of pre-check just to have these people cut in front. Get your own line or eliminate it.

It also creates issues. Anyone who has ever flown out of Orlando has seen how Clear bogs down the lines when they try to find an open spot. I'm convinced that's why Orlando is a nightmare.

Again, is this a business travel issue? We fly in/out MCO 2x a year and have never had much of a wait with Pre at all. I can’t remember noticing someone cutting us either.

[Anonymous]

I always assumed the government was supportive of clear as a developer/expediter and to slowly make it acceptable to use biometric data for all of us someday as a way to get through airport security. Fine with me.

[Anonymous]

Clear Diamond? Sign me up.