CA law looking to abolish Clear

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

Free internet access is available at many locations, including libraries. The DMV appointments are free.

The flight wasn't free. Going through security in the first place requires a ticket that was paid for. This isn't some democracy.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

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Actually they are MOVING clear. It will still exist - just in a different space.

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Anonymous wrote:They want everyone to stand in the same lines. You won't be able to pay yourself to the front anymore (though Clear is so common it often doesn't have much benefit).

In Europe there are often different lines for First/Business versus economy. There are always perks for those who "pay more". There are also lounge access to make your wait on the other side more enjoyable, all for a price. If you don't like waiting in the regular TSA line, then purchase TSA pre and/or clear.

We have both, as we fly a lot. Most we wait at our home airport is 10 mins at a very busy time. But typically there are only 1-3 people in front of us at Clear and then you are immediately to the front of the TSA pre line.

Same for Global Entry. We pay for that so when we return from an international trip, we don't have to wait 1-2 hours to get out of the airport. IAD is particularly bad for this....in the afternoon there are times when 4-5 international flights land within 30 mins. Without Global entry, you can be stuck waiting over an hour to clear customs and immigration. Those that pay for GE typically only take 5-10 mins for the entire process, at most

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

If they "get their own line" that is only TSA pre AND Clear, then the airport will just assign one of their current combined TSA pre (with clear as an entry point to the front of the line) as only for CLEAR passengers and TSA pre. Thus eliminating one TSA pre line. So the wait at the TSA PRE only (No clear) will be much longer. Thus screwing the people they are attempting to help.

No way the airports are adding more TSA pre lines to pair with just clear

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

Done correctly, what you described shouldn't happen. At our airport, They alternate. One Clear goes thru, then they allow a TSA pre only, then a TSApre & clear person, if there is only one TSA person working. IF there are two+, then one is where all the CLEAR flow, but the others are TSA Pre (and no clear), so traffic keeps flowing.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

They aren't cutting if they paid for the service. If if bothers you so much pay for it yourself. I could not care less if people are "cutting" because at best they get to wait for the same flight 8 minutes more at the gate than I do. So what? They will probably even board before me because they are 1K, or first class, or in a wheel chair, or with their family, or all the other reasons people get to cut lines. BFD.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

But you have the option to pay for it. just like at airline checkin/luggage checkin. The regular/economy attendants will often pull from the First class/Business class/elite airline members line if it gets too long, thus "cutting in front of you". Happens all the time. Dont' like it you can become an elite airline member or pay for first/busniess class

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

No, you are instead lining up for a process required because you chose to purchase an airline ticket and fly. Just like people at Disney chose to purchase entry to the park and enjoy a day there.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

But you have the option to pay for it. just like at airline checkin/luggage checkin. The regular/economy attendants will often pull from the First class/Business class/elite airline members line if it gets too long, thus "cutting in front of you". Happens all the time. Dont' like it you can become an elite airline member or pay for first/busniess class

Why should you be able to pay a private business to receive favorable treatment from the federal government?

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

+10000

Or you are free to pay for clear (or get a CC that gives you free clear access/pays for it for you).

It's also annoying to stand at TSA pre and get cutoff by 20 flight attendants going trhu for their flight. It happens all the time. They get priority because they are "employees"---there is no separate area for just employees, typically....it's just a TSA pre area, often one that also has clear.

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Making Clear have its own line is an obvious solution.

If they have their own line won't a worker go have to work that line, making the other lines longer anyway?/

Yes, because in actuality, where you have TSA Pre and clear together now, they would likely just take one of those in the airport and turn it into ONLY TSA PRE AND clear. so the tsa pre only people would be forced to have one less line/area for TSA pre in reality. Thus making their lines actually longer. They just won't have anyone "cutting in front of them" so they will be happier?

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Anonymous wrote:Clear poses a security risk.

"Clear has also raised security concerns within the TSA, which operates its own expedited screening service with TSA PreCheck. “Unlike TSA PreCheck, which involves a background check and enhanced pre-screening protocols, expedited screening services offer faster passage through security for a membership fee without PreCheck’s associated security enhancements,” Newman said in a statement. Clear has been involved in several security incidents over the last year that have raised concerns. In February 2023, a Clear customer was escorted through security without presenting their ID, using a boarding pass they found in a nearby trash can. In another incident in July, a Clear user was able to pass security and walk onto a flight while carrying ammunition, Bloomberg reported. Despite the repeated incidents, Clear has pushed back against TSA plans to require more vetting for its customers."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/zacharyfolk/2024/04/24/california-weighs-bill-restricting-clear-in-airports-heres-what-to-know/?sh=3a967ec62e69

Everyone I know with Clear also has TSA Pre. Simply solution, make that a requirement and the security concerns disappear.

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

When was the last time you went to an amusement park like Disney World? This is a well established practice.

You are not lining up at Disneyworld for a government-run and -mandated security check. That’s the difference.

The CA government allows a lot of people to cut corners, such as making an appointment in advance at the DMV. Not everyone has internet access to be able to do that. And nobody is forcing you to travel by air, you're free to take other modes of transportation if "line cutting" is so galling.

But the difference is, once again, that Clear is a private enterprise. There is no reason to facilitate it at all when TSA precheck exists, but there’s certainly no reason to facilitate it by allowing people with Clear to physically cut in front of other travelers. Seems pretty clear from reports on here that if Clear always had separate lines, they would often be longer, meaning it could not compete and would go out of business.

No the lines would be longer for the only TSA pre people. As they'd just take a current TSA Pre and Clear line and make it TSA PRE and CLEAR Only line. Routing the tsapre only people to another line that already exists. So you'd wait longer.

In reality, if you don't like people "Cutting" in front of you, you are free to purchase clear and enjoy the perks. Just like you chose to purchase TSA pre so you don't have to stand in the hour long line and remove your shoes/electronics/etc. It's a choice. If you don't want to pay you don't have to

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Equal access to a government security line- that’s socialism

It’s not about “equal access” because it has nothing to do with banning/abolishing Precheck, which by its very nature isn’t “equal”. Clear is a private company that gets you past even Precheck.

And even this bill doesn’t abolish Clear, it’s asking that they get their own line in order to keep operating, not cutting in front of other pax in the TSA lines. I see no problem here.

I’m a frequent flyer for work and my whole family has Global Entry/Precheck but we’ve never sprung for Clear. I was just somewhere, can’t remember where, in the Precheck line close to the front and then had to wait for a Clear pax, who had priority and got in front of me. Then another. Then another. Then another. Just when I would think it would be me, another person would come up, probably a dozen, at least. I see no problem with a private company having to pay for their own line, considering they make money from it.

A line though a government line for people who can pay a third party usher them through is ridiculous.

Why? I genuinely don’t understand why people want to ban it.

Because it offends basic elementary school rules- nobody likes a line cutter.

But you have the option to pay for it. just like at airline checkin/luggage checkin. The regular/economy attendants will often pull from the First class/Business class/elite airline members line if it gets too long, thus "cutting in front of you". Happens all the time. Dont' like it you can become an elite airline member or pay for first/busniess class

Why should you be able to pay a private business to receive favorable treatment from the federal government?

That's life. You can pay for your own lawyer or use a public defendant.