Protestants and Marian Apparitions (Our Lady of Gaudalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, etc.)

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Schizophrenia, schizoaffective, borderline personality disorder, histrionic personality disorder, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

No, you have zero authority to claim to know what is someone else's heart and mind. When a person tells you "I am not worshiping Mary," who are you to claim otherwise?

Because tares are indistinguishable from wheat, I am not quick to point a finger before the harvest.

However, when the Bible says, “Don’t bow down before graven images” and I see someone such as the pope bowing before a graven image, I am confident standing upon scripture to say, “This person is in error.”

Saying you are not worshiping Mary while performing all of the actions of worship towards Mary is bizarre, a form of cognitive dissonance.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

"monolithic" and "monotheistic" are two different words that have different meanings, and are not even similar in meaning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

"monolithic" and "monotheistic" are two different words that have different meanings, and are not even similar in meaning.

Of course they are different. However, since Christianity is monotheistic, it can be said to be monolithic in that sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

No, you have zero authority to claim to know what is someone else's heart and mind. When a person tells you "I am not worshiping Mary," who are you to claim otherwise?

Because tares are indistinguishable from wheat, I am not quick to point a finger before the harvest.

However, when the Bible says, “Don’t bow down before graven images” and I see someone such as the pope bowing before a graven image, I am confident standing upon scripture to say, “This person is in error.”

Saying you are not worshiping Mary while performing all of the actions of worship towards Mary is bizarre, a form of cognitive dissonance.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…

DP. Mary is not a deity, and therefore cannot be worshipped.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

"monolithic" and "monotheistic" are two different words that have different meanings, and are not even similar in meaning.

Of course they are different. However, since Christianity is monotheistic, it can be said to be monolithic in that sense.

Just because all Christians believe in one God (monotheism)
does not mean that all Christians believe the same things, practice the same way, or agree on all doctrines (monolithic).

Christianity is monotheistic — yes.
But it is not monolithic, because:
✅ There are countless denominations
✅ There are diverse interpretations of scripture
✅ There are theological, cultural, and liturgical variations

Lady, we can't just go around just saying things to be saying things and being illogical, just saying stuff

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

No, you have zero authority to claim to know what is someone else's heart and mind. When a person tells you "I am not worshiping Mary," who are you to claim otherwise?

Because tares are indistinguishable from wheat, I am not quick to point a finger before the harvest.

However, when the Bible says, “Don’t bow down before graven images” and I see someone such as the pope bowing before a graven image, I am confident standing upon scripture to say, “This person is in error.”

Saying you are not worshiping Mary while performing all of the actions of worship towards Mary is bizarre, a form of cognitive dissonance.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck…

DP. Mary is not a deity, and therefore cannot be worshipped.

People can worship false Gods. There are whole chapters and books of the bible on this subject.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

"monolithic" and "monotheistic" are two different words that have different meanings, and are not even similar in meaning.

Of course they are different. However, since Christianity is monotheistic, it can be said to be monolithic in that sense.

Just because all Christians believe in one God (monotheism)
does not mean that all Christians believe the same things, practice the same way, or agree on all doctrines (monolithic).

Christianity is monotheistic — yes.
But it is not monolithic, because:
✅ There are countless denominations
✅ There are diverse interpretations of scripture
✅ There are theological, cultural, and liturgical variations

Lady, we can't just go around just saying things to be saying things and being illogical, just saying stuff

Monolithic does not mean that EVERY teaching of the religion has to be universally accepted. It only means that a central tenet of the religion is universally accepted. Such is the case with Christianity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

[i]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

My sister, along with many other hippie flower children, became a born again Christian when the movement started. They were called Jesus Freaks at the time. They had nothing to do with Hinduism or Meher Baba.

[Anonymous]

What about faith healing? People go to Lourdes to get healed by a miracle. The same thing happens with faith healers who are Protestant. I think both notions are fake but there is more similarity than at first glance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What about faith healing? People go to Lourdes to get healed by a miracle. The same thing happens with faith healers who are Protestant. I think both notions are fake but there is more similarity than at first glance.

I can't speak for every so-called Protestant faith-healer, but some are frauds. They have staff that deselect people and use other tactics. There are no tactics at Lourdes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

Guess who compiled the Scriptures? A church council. Guess whose Bible does not include all the books removed by Martin Luther?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

"just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith" is a sweeping generalization — more formally, it’s a type of hasty generalization or even no true Scotsman (depending on how it’s used).

Why?
The sentence claims universal agreement (“all Christians”) over a vast time period (1500 years) and across diverse geographic, cultural, and theological contexts, without evidence and without accounting for exceptions, disagreements, or nuance.

Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic.

There were diverse theological schools, regional variations, and disputes about Marian doctrines even before the Protestant Reformation.

Claiming “all Christians” did something erases historical complexity and oversimplifies.

"Christianity in the first 1500 years was not monolithic". Hasty generalization.

Christianity has always been monotheistic.

"monolithic" and "monotheistic" are two different words that have different meanings, and are not even similar in meaning.

Of course they are different. However, since Christianity is monotheistic, it can be said to be monolithic in that sense.

Just because all Christians believe in one God (monotheism)
does not mean that all Christians believe the same things, practice the same way, or agree on all doctrines (monolithic).

Christianity is monotheistic — yes.
But it is not monolithic, because:
✅ There are countless denominations
✅ There are diverse interpretations of scripture
✅ There are theological, cultural, and liturgical variations

Lady, we can't just go around just saying things to be saying things and being illogical, just saying stuff

Monolithic does not mean that EVERY teaching of the religion has to be universally accepted. It only means that a central tenet of the religion is universally accepted. Such is the case with Christianity.

Why is this statement not logically sound?
1. It redefines "monolithic" incorrectly
The statement mischaracterizes the meaning of monolithic.

Monolithic does not just mean “we all agree on one central idea”
It means the group is largely uniform, undivided, and without significant internal variation, especially in structure, beliefs, or practices.

Simply having one central tenet (e.g., belief in one God, or belief that Jesus is the Son of God) does not make a religion monolithic — because the religion can still have huge variation in other doctrines, practices, and interpretations.

In short:

Shared core ≠ Monolithic structure
(You can have unity on a core point but still massive diversity otherwise)

2. The conclusion does not follow (Non sequitur fallacy)
“…Such is the case with Christianity.”

This conclusion assumes that because Christians broadly agree on one central tenet, Christianity as a whole is monolithic — but that does not logically follow.

Christianity has enormous denominational, doctrinal, cultural, and liturgical diversity, even if many Christians agree on one central idea (e.g., Jesus is Lord).

Thus:

Agreement on one point does not erase all other diversity or make the religion monolithic.

Logical Fallacies at play
✅ Misdefinition fallacy (defining a term incorrectly to suit the argument)
✅ Non sequitur (the conclusion does not logically follow from the premise)
✅ Oversimplification

Clear summary
The statement is illogical because it redefines "monolithic" incorrectly and wrongly concludes that agreement on one belief makes Christianity monolithic — ignoring the vast diversity that clearly exists.