Protestants and Marian Apparitions (Our Lady of Gaudalupe, Our Lady of Lourdes, Our Lady of Fatima, etc.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

It was a different poster. So, at least more than one.

All of the things you list are BS.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

It was a different poster. So, at least more than one.

All of the things you list are BS.

Like Catholicism in general

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

It was a different poster. So, at least more than one.

All of the things you list are BS.

Like Catholicism in general

You are entitled to your opinion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

It was a different poster. So, at least more than one.

All of the things you list are BS.

Like Catholicism in general

You are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion too. -- former Catholic

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't "convincing proofs of Catholicism," lol. Assuming you have faith in them (which I, a protestant, actually do), they are proof that Mary watches over us and loves us and that miracles happen. But the Bible tells us about lots of miracles -- nothing earth shattering about that.

Does your branch of Protestantism believe in Saints? Does it believe that the Virgin Mary was assumed into heaven? How would it explain the Virgin Mary watching over Catholics? Are you aware of a Marian apparition involving a Protestant?

It’s very strange that you think Protestant churches should teach Catholic doctrine.

It's not a matter of teaching. If the Lady is real, she'd appear for anyone.

So you reject the Tilma, healing waters, and miracle of the sun as proofs? Even though you can see the tilma even today, people are healed at Lourdes (I think 60 Minutes did a segment on this), and 70,000, including skeptics, witnessed the miracle of the sun. Saying that it is all just a trick of the mind for 70,000 is ridiculous. It is a Doubting Thomas mindset that unless you see with your own eyes, you will not believe.

Luke 16
31Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’ ” New American Bible

Yes = I reject all the proofs you offer that Catholicism is the true faith. And I'm not the only one.

DP. There are 1.4 billion people that disagree with you.

See appeal to popularity point made previously.

See "And I'm not the only one" point that you made previously.

It was a different poster. So, at least more than one.

All of the things you list are BS.

Like Catholicism in general

You are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion too. -- former Catholic

You are also entitled to your opinion.

[Anonymous]

If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

[i]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

[i]Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

My authority is The Night Before Christmas.

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse...

This is proof that Santa is real just like your scripture.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am a Protestant and I consider worship of Mary to be idolatry - and I say this as someone who used to LOVE Mary, before I was saved.

We are only supposed to worship God and God alone.

Catholics don't worship Mary. They honor Mary just as all Christians did for the first 1500 years of the faith.
Were you aware of the Marian Apparitions? I went to Protestant churches for many years and never heard about them.

DO they also honor the true cross shards that circulate occasionally at Catholic Churches?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I was raised in a Protestant church (Presbyterian) and attended a UMC church until about 5 years ago. Honestly I don’t remember the topic of Marian apparitions coming up ever, in either denomination. It simply didn’t come up for discussion. If the topic were raised at all, it was likely brought up in passing but certainly wasn’t the dominant focus of a sermon or anything.

It's strictly a Catholic thing - to convince Catholics that it really is the one true church.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you do an internet search of “pope image mary” and view the images (images tab), you will see pictures of the pope in public and without shame bowing before and serving an image of Mary surrounded by flowers.

If you do a search on “hindus bowing idol goddess flowers” you will see an unmistakable similarity.

This goddess worship originated in Babylon.

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image…Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them”—Exodus 20:4

The Catholic church is deceptive when it says, “Oh, we are not worshipping Mary, we are just venerating her.”

This is a lie. It is idolatry plain and simple.

Who has lied much, and murdered millions of Christians just for reading the Bible and refusing to tolerate unbiblical nonsense spewing from Rome?

Why, who could be behind it all, the one who was a liar and a murderer from the beginning?

Interestingly, the hippie flower child/flower power movement in the 1960s was started in the 1950s by Meher Baba who brought unclean spirits to America when he and his group visited Hollywood and San Francisco.

Afterwards, Hindu gurus came to America and ministered to the unclean (in both body and spirit) people who forsook Jesus.

What gibberish. What ever drugs you are on, please don't text and post.

Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.-Acts 2:13

The Holy Spirit of God leads people into the truth. Others, who are in spiritual darkness, make ad hominem attacks because they do not understand what the spirit of God reveals.

If you walked in the light, you would see clearly that bowing before an image of Mary is idolatry.

No, it isn't. And you simply saying so, does not make it so.

And here is the crux of the disagreement: my authority is scripture, your authority is the Catholic church and its unbiblical dogma.

Guess which one I am going to obey? That’s right: the scriptures.

Jesus the Lord speaking: My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me -John 10:27

No, you have zero authority to claim to know what is someone else's heart and mind. When a person tells you "I am not worshiping Mary," who are you to claim otherwise?