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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

Who said you needed a college degree dum dum? You need SKILLS. Go be a machinist, electrician, truck driver, elevator repairman, plumber, carpenter, etc. etc.


Sorry, you’re nit entitled to any wage you want for having zero skills and no education. You are a replaceable slab of meat. If you think your wages are too low you’re always free to stop working and find a better job. Or get skills to get better wages. It’s really that simple.


I’m not paying extra for goods and services because some weed smoking, video game playing loser doesn’t want any responsibility in their life and can only hold down a burger flipping job.

Go to trade school and taken personal responsibility for your career development, good grief.

You forgot to add "and if you ask for too much money, we'll send your job to China. And if we can't do that, we'll bring in a few million people who are willing to do your job for less."

And slab of meat, now its clear why you jumped right to Pol Pot. Its the telltale heart.

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

Who said you needed a college degree dum dum? You need SKILLS. Go be a machinist, electrician, truck driver, elevator repairman, plumber, carpenter, etc. etc.


Sorry, you’re nit entitled to any wage you want for having zero skills and no education. You are a replaceable slab of meat. If you think your wages are too low you’re always free to stop working and find a better job. Or get skills to get better wages. It’s really that simple.


I’m not paying extra for goods and services because some weed smoking, video game playing loser doesn’t want any responsibility in their life and can only hold down a burger flipping job.

Go to trade school and taken personal responsibility for your career development, good grief.

You forgot to add "and if you ask for too much money, we'll send your job to China. And if we can't do that, we'll bring in a few million people who are willing to do your job for less."

And slab of meat, now its clear why you jumped right to Pol Pot. Its the telltale heart.

DP

It’s also worth noting that it’s the political right AND the political left that are at odds with the public.

The right sent jobs overseas.

The left is importing millions of immigrants illegally , which will keep wages depressed for everyone.

Literally no one on the left or the right cares about actual Americans. They only care about their tiny special interests.

Do you want another Trump? Because this is how you get another Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

Who said you needed a college degree dum dum? You need SKILLS. Go be a machinist, electrician, truck driver, elevator repairman, plumber, carpenter, etc. etc.


Sorry, you’re nit entitled to any wage you want for having zero skills and no education. You are a replaceable slab of meat. If you think your wages are too low you’re always free to stop working and find a better job. Or get skills to get better wages. It’s really that simple.


I’m not paying extra for goods and services because some weed smoking, video game playing loser doesn’t want any responsibility in their life and can only hold down a burger flipping job.

Go to trade school and taken personal responsibility for your career development, good grief.

You forgot to add "and if you ask for too much money, we'll send your job to China. And if we can't do that, we'll bring in a few million people who are willing to do your job for less."

And slab of meat, now its clear why you jumped right to Pol Pot. Its the telltale heart.

DP

It’s also worth noting that it’s the political right AND the political left that are at odds with the public.

The right sent jobs overseas.

The left is importing millions of immigrants illegally , which will keep wages depressed for everyone.

Literally no one on the left or the right cares about actual Americans. They only care about their tiny special interests.

Do you want another Trump? Because this is how you get another Trump.

Too funny. It was Democrats that sung the praises of free trade and sent all of the jobs over seas because according to neoliberal economic theories it should have resulted in more efficiency. COVID entirely exposed what an asinine idea it was. Go look up Bill Clinton's record on sending jobs overseas.

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

Who said you needed a college degree dum dum? You need SKILLS. Go be a machinist, electrician, truck driver, elevator repairman, plumber, carpenter, etc. etc.


Sorry, you’re nit entitled to any wage you want for having zero skills and no education. You are a replaceable slab of meat. If you think your wages are too low you’re always free to stop working and find a better job. Or get skills to get better wages. It’s really that simple.


I’m not paying extra for goods and services because some weed smoking, video game playing loser doesn’t want any responsibility in their life and can only hold down a burger flipping job.

Go to trade school and taken personal responsibility for your career development, good grief.

You forgot to add "and if you ask for too much money, we'll send your job to China. And if we can't do that, we'll bring in a few million people who are willing to do your job for less."

And slab of meat, now its clear why you jumped right to Pol Pot. Its the telltale heart.

DP

It’s also worth noting that it’s the political right AND the political left that are at odds with the public.

The right sent jobs overseas.

The left is importing millions of immigrants illegally , which will keep wages depressed for everyone.

Literally no one on the left or the right cares about actual Americans. They only care about their tiny special interests.

Do you want another Trump? Because this is how you get another Trump.

Too funny. It was Democrats that sung the praises of free trade and sent all of the jobs over seas because according to neoliberal economic theories it should have resulted in more efficiency. COVID entirely exposed what an asinine idea it was. Go look up Bill Clinton's record on sending jobs overseas.

Too funny. It was Reagan who started it.

14 years earlier, in 1979, candidate Reagan proposed his North American trade accord:..

“As we pursue global trade negotiations,” Reagan said in November 1988, near the end of his presidency, “the United States believes that the future belongs to those who lower trade barriers.”

https://www.heritage.org/trade/commentary/revisiting-nafta-ronald-reagan-free-trade-north-america

Within the U.S., NAFTA was seen as putting “an official seal of approval on what was already happening in the 1970s and 1980s: two decades of American manufacturers moving jobs to Mexico,” as Cowie puts it, due to lower labor costs on that side of the border.

https://time.com/5468175/nafta-history/

My dad's manufacturing plant closed down in the 80s and went to MX, thanks to Reagan.

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Anonymous wrote:Fight for 15 was 15 years ago. OP doesn't understand inflation. When he was a boy, a soda cost a nickel! It's outrageous now!


https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/the_minimum_wage_and_the_danis.php

If you can't afford soda, drink water. I certainly won't be paying for you to drink champagne you haven't earned when I can barely get a drop of soda myself for all my hard work.

And if you can’t afford to pay a burger flipper a living wage, eat at home.

There go all the jobs that allow young people to get work experience and immigrants with weak English skills on the economic ladder.

No it doesn’t. Besides teens are exempt from minimums waged jobs.

McDonald’s historically pays double the minimum wage.

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Anonymous wrote:You cannot afford a SFH on $55k. The minimum wage needs to be higher.

If the government gave everyone in the country a check for 10 million dollars it wouldn’t do a damn thing to help people afford SFH’s

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Anonymous wrote:You cannot afford a SFH on $55k. The minimum wage needs to be higher.

SFHs are not the future. You start at a condo or a townhouse.

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I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

Arguably, the primary problem isn't that the minimum wage is too low, it's that the rent is too damn high.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

Yet people keep working there, so......

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

Yet people keep working there, so......

Because we aren't employing them as doctors.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

Yet people keep working there, so......

Because we aren't employing them as doctors.

Oops. You're right. Somebody find the guy putting cans of Red Bull on the shelf at Target and hand him a scalpel.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't understand who you think is going to staff your Targets, Starbucks, Panera, DSW, etc. if they can't earn enough money to live anywhere near their workplace.

Your kids don't work minimum wage jobs. So who do you think will?

Yet people keep working there, so......

Because we aren't employing them as doctors.

Also you are very clearly trolling. Either that or auditioning for The Onion.

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That whole reddit thread was weird, like the guy got a list of far left positions and hadn’t thought about any of them.

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Anonymous wrote:He won't win. I think he ran for something else before.

He runs for stuff all the time. He's like the Robin Ficker of the Democratic party.