MoCo $26/hr min wage

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I'm pretty sure the redistribution of wealth poster is a troll, possibly one whose mission it is to create division in our society to strengthen some political actor who is trying to take advantage of us.

Either that or he/she is some clueless kid.

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

Actually sanitations can be replaced by robots..my in laws trash pick up is all automated except for the driver.

We learned from COVID the most important jobs are food and trash. Everything else is window dressing

and how does that stop robots/AI from doing those jobs? It doesn't. They are easily replaceable as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Fight for 15 was 15 years ago. OP doesn't understand inflation. When he was a boy, a soda cost a nickel! It's outrageous now!


https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/the_minimum_wage_and_the_danis.php

If you can't afford soda, drink water. I certainly won't be paying for you to drink champagne you haven't earned when I can barely get a drop of soda myself for all my hard work.

And if you can’t afford to pay a burger flipper a living wage, eat at home.

There go all the jobs that allow young people to get work experience and immigrants with weak English skills on the economic ladder.

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So much for "fight for $15!". Apparently 'liveable wage' is now defined as $26/h according to a local candidate running for Congress:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MontgomeryCountyMD/comments/1ao8s15/my_name_is_ashwani_jain_and_i_am_a_montgomery/


How much more evidence do we need MoCo has been completely overtaken by radicals and is beyond the point of no return. A $26/h min wage would obliterate businesses.

Soon the burger flipping teenage earns wages equivalent to $55k/year. Why wouldn't all of the working professionals who now make $55k demand much more compensation to maintain their gap over an unskilled teenager?

Now all you've done is set off a wage price spiral and cause tons of inflation. In the end the burger flippers still do not achieve more purchasing power because the price went up everywhere else accommodate higher wages and costs for labor. All you've done the entire time is ruin everyone's life savings with uncontrollable wage price spiral inflation.

Does MoCo produce pols worth a lick of salt and anymore? No wonder there is so much uncontrollable crime in MoCo when they produce pols like Jain who have zero clue of economics. This is the problem with crying for 'livable' wages. No one can even define it, and before you know it, the burger flippers think they deserve $100k per year salaries.

Funny you should mention “burger flippers” as an example.

McDonalds eliminated many of its minimum wage jobs and replaced them with:

- robots.

Would you like to see an example?



If Montgomery county wants to eliminate even more entry-level jobs, they should continue to interfere with free-market capitalism with idiotic proposals such as “living wage” laws.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

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Anonymous wrote:All jobs deserve a fair wage, it does not matter if it's a 17 year old, 40 year old or 70 year old. Burger flipping is not just flipping when you likely have to deal with disgruntled customers, bus tables, clean bathrooms, take orders, complete food prep, balance the cash register at the end, ensure cutlery is clean, etc.

Not everyone should go to college, the reason why college degrees and now grad degrees have cheapened in value is because this country pushed everyone to go to college instead of making a pain for fair wages.

People with college/grad degrees, stop refusing to see and acknowledge that you are impacted most when the poor don't get fair wages for employment and everyone is pushed into college, this directly affects your class position as well.

All jobs deserve a fair wage... for that kind of a job.

What exactly is that supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that some jobs should pay more than others? Because that is basically the very root of income disparity itself. All work is honorable. All workers are equal. But if some workers are still earning more than others, we will never achieve true equality. It’s very discouraging that people still do not get this.

Yeah.
I think my trash collector should be paid the same as my CPA.
Do you understand that some workers make more than others because the skills needed are more advanced than others AND the accountability of the job is greater?
You want your brain surgeon paid the same as your local fast food worker?

CPA’s could be largely eliminated by AI. Sanitation workers? Not so much. So I’d say trash collectors are actually FAR more important than CPA’s - who’s primary task in many cases seems to be figuring out how wealthy people can take advantage of loopholes and regulations to legally cheat on their taxes. We’d be a lot better off with more, higher paid sanitation workers and a lot fewer CPA’s.

LOL!

You haven't been to Japan, have you? Low skill, low educated work is easily replaceable by robots. They already have automated sanitary cleaners. They have automated sushi makers.

Sanitation workers will be the first to be automated.

You sound exactly like Pol Pot and all of the communist dictators throw thoughout the 20th century. Kill educated people. We can all live wonderful agrarian lives like Pol Pot envisioned, comrade.

Those trash trucks are at best partially-automated under the best of circumstances. Even their promo-video scolds people to face the can perfectly and let nothing get around it. The trucks also require a lot of space, including vertical, to operate. They also don't seem to be able to pick up the recycling bins.

Now what happens when you have any of: Wind, animals, youths, narrow alleys, overhead power lines, etc... That driver is having to get out and load those manually.

And just since we're also talking about CPA's here, I pulled up Carbondale's 2020(date of the video) and 2023 ACFR. And what do you know? Labor costs for waste collection increased from $440,000 to $588,000. I guess that fully automated trash truck didn't work so good...

As for the minimum wage matching inflation and productivity growth = Pol Pot argument, I don't get the right-wing obsession of impoverishing anyone without a college degree. You're really going to jump to analogies of mass murder because people want to make enough money to live in the same county that they work in? You think its fine for people to live 15 to a house or commute for 1.5 hours to a McJob? You don't realize that sort of thing is causing most of the other problems you're probably concerned about?

Who said you needed a college degree dum dum? You need SKILLS. Go be a machinist, electrician, truck driver, elevator repairman, plumber, carpenter, etc. etc.


Sorry, you’re nit entitled to any wage you want for having zero skills and no education. You are a replaceable slab of meat. If you think your wages are too low you’re always free to stop working and find a better job. Or get skills to get better wages. It’s really that simple.


I’m not paying extra for goods and services because some weed smoking, video game playing loser doesn’t want any responsibility in their life and can only hold down a burger flipping job.

Go to trade school and taken personal responsibility for your career development, good grief.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fight for 15 was 15 years ago. OP doesn't understand inflation. When he was a boy, a soda cost a nickel! It's outrageous now!


https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/the_minimum_wage_and_the_danis.php

If you can't afford soda, drink water. I certainly won't be paying for you to drink champagne you haven't earned when I can barely get a drop of soda myself for all my hard work.

And if you can’t afford to pay a burger flipper a living wage, eat at home.

+100. Food would not be more expensive if we required corporations to stop wage slavery, they must also do their part. Corporations rake in multi-millions while doing the bare minimum, there is plenty of money for higher wages per hour. I don't understand how the average worker bee can have a chip on their shoulder about standard living wages. Unless you are Jeff, Bill or one of the other billionaires, you should advocate for higher living wages for everyone because that is what makes a country first-rate. Its amazing that Americans are so low quality in their thought process and struggle to get basic healthcare, quality of food, lack of cheap higher education and vacation benefits, and yet without such things claim to be a first world country...... how backward.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, how much do you make an hour? This makes sense for this metropolitan area.

I am not sure why people are okay with wage slavery. Adult men and women should not make $14/hour, it's unethical. It's also why we have the current migrant crisis. Americans themselves are unable to raise a proper family on poverty slave wages, thus the current political system is allowing others to come here because they believe some wages is better than none at all.

Quite frankly it's sickening how much American corporations are greedy and the politicians allow them to enslave people from third world countries for a chance to make a few dollars here. Those same economic migrants send money back home to their families because they cannot afford to live on their land (due to govt corruptions, gangs and everything in between).

Educate yourself OP, this is an entire matrix.

It's a burger flipper! No burger flipper is worth $55k per year. Period. That's more than teachers make. That's more than skilled professionals like mechanics often make.

What's sickening is the expectations for more and more compensation despite having no skills worth any value. Next stop it's $55k for unskilled, uneducated employed. Next they'll demand $100k. So where does everyone else's salary go? $1M per year and burgers now cost $100 each? Ha! That'll do wonders for everyone's entire life's savings.

You people are nuts.

+1 some people lack common sense.

If they pay a burger flipper $26/hour, just how much do you think that burger would cost? Who is going to pay $20 for a fast food burger? The joint would close down because no one is willing to pay that much for fast food.

Way to kill small businesses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If minimum wage tracked productivity growth and inflation, it would be low twenties nationally. The only reason this number is shocking is because we've underpaid workers for so long.

Yes, but it would also eventually lead to inflation. There needs to be balance. $26/hr for flipping burgers isn't a good balance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fight for 15 was 15 years ago. OP doesn't understand inflation. When he was a boy, a soda cost a nickel! It's outrageous now!


https://archives.cjr.org/the_audit/the_minimum_wage_and_the_danis.php

If you can't afford soda, drink water. I certainly won't be paying for you to drink champagne you haven't earned when I can barely get a drop of soda myself for all my hard work.

And if you can’t afford to pay a burger flipper a living wage, eat at home.

right, and kill the small business. Do you think that burger flipper can easily find a job? Why do you think they are flipping burgers?

[Anonymous]

If you can't make 26/hr as an adult that is your fault..not societies.

Go take on line courses for free to learn a trade and you can make good money.

If you don't have internet, go to a public library.

[Anonymous]

$26 minimum an hour is insane. Crazy.

[Anonymous]

You what job can definitely be replaced by AI? Internet troll!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:OP, how much do you make an hour? This makes sense for this metropolitan area.

I am not sure why people are okay with wage slavery. Adult men and women should not make $14/hour, it's unethical. It's also why we have the current migrant crisis. Americans themselves are unable to raise a proper family on poverty slave wages, thus the current political system is allowing others to come here because they believe some wages is better than none at all.

Quite frankly it's sickening how much American corporations are greedy and the politicians allow them to enslave people from third world countries for a chance to make a few dollars here. Those same economic migrants send money back home to their families because they cannot afford to live on their land (due to govt corruptions, gangs and everything in between).

Educate yourself OP, this is an entire matrix.

It's a burger flipper! No burger flipper is worth $55k per year. Period. That's more than teachers make. That's more than skilled professionals like mechanics often make.

What's sickening is the expectations for more and more compensation despite having no skills worth any value. Next stop it's $55k for unskilled, uneducated employed. Next they'll demand $100k. So where does everyone else's salary go? $1M per year and burgers now cost $100 each? Ha! That'll do wonders for everyone's entire life's savings.

You people are nuts.

+1 some people lack common sense.

If they pay a burger flipper $26/hour, just how much do you think that burger would cost? Who is going to pay $20 for a fast food burger? The joint would close down because no one is willing to pay that much for fast food.

Way to kill small businesses.

Many places it's already $12-20 for a burger, fries and a drink. We rarely go to one restaurant anymore after they raised their prices and it was so hard to get a table way back when and when we went it was surprisingly empty at lunch. I think a lot of business will struggle when they keep raising prices and shrinking plates.