Taylor Swift actually lied about not consenting to Kanye referencing her in his song

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

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Op and other haters

Taylor is living rent free in your head.

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Taylor is living rent free in your head.

We "haters" have plenty of room in our head for other things. TayTay's simplistic antics don't exactly require a lot of brain power.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

This is such a great summary. I followed these stories at the time, not as a fan at all, just in shock that people were doing her so dirty and was really impressed with how she handled it all. I especially really appreciated the lawsuit. To see her get her karma now (pun sort of intended) is just nice. I'm impressed. I'm happy for her. She's also spoken about how she's really tried to figure out what in her made her even want to try to reconcile with Kanye to begin with, and acknowledges it as a toxic trait she has. She's now calling him and his ex-wife for what they are, and I'm here for it.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

She has done a TON of that. Just not in a magazine article celebrating her as person of the year.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

She has done a TON of that. Just not in a magazine article celebrating her as person of the year.

Making bracelets and saying “imagine how awful my life would have been if I had been RAPED” don’t count.

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Anonymous wrote:Are you guys dumb?

She states multiple times in the tape that she is so flattered he came to her to ask her persmission to include her in his lyrics. He tells her he has not written the song yet but wanted to connect with her to collect her thoughts on what his idea for this song was.

She gives her consent regarding the lyric that says”Taylor might still owe me sex” and even, “ I made her famous”

She says she will tell the media at the Grammys that Kanye called her and asked her permission. She says people might find the idea of them having sex odd, but she understands what he is doing as he is edgy and it is a part of his brand and persona. She thinks it’s funny and flattering.

And then, when he releases the song, she makes drama about all of it. Lies and says Kanye never asked her permission and she didn’t know about it. In later versions of her statement she says ok yes she never approved “that b” part, which honestly, sounds like lawyer-speak to me.

It sounds like she gave her consent to the song, as evidenced in the phone call. Then when the song released, she realized she did not want to associate that with her brand, and turned the tables on Kanye an claimed abuse.

She is very manipulative and very clever and dances circles around Kanye while the poor man obviously suffers from bipolar disorder. By publicly shaming him and claiming to be a victim, she is bullying an already sick man!!

She understood and approved the sentiment behind the reference made to her in his song. Approved it and was flattered that he even asked! Regardless of the minor detail of “that b”

Eh. I don’t think so. She was pretty consistent in not wanting to be called a B. She didn’t want it to be negative. He made it negative. Why did he bother asking her about it if he was going to ignore her and call her a B anyway?

I think she has moved on from Kanye, like most everyone has, because it’s so clear he has serious mental illness.

Taylor’s issue seems to be with Kim, who illegally recorded their conversation and then edited it and released it to make her look bad. I’d have a problem with that too.


https://variety.com/2020/music/news/taylor-swift-kanye-west-phone-call-leaks-read-full-transcript-1203541363/amp/

I guess the best revenge is being a beloved superstar billionaire while your trashy rival has to co-parent with a bipolar manchild for the rest of her life

And Kim has no talent. I wonder though if Kanye manipulated Kim to do that. I’ve been manipulated by a bipolar or narcissist person, so it can happen.

Taylor named the snake on her tour Karyn. Everyone knew she meant Kim because Kim called Taylor a snake. Taylor embraced snakes during her Reputation tour, which suggested the nice trusting girl was dead.

Who doesn’t want to overcome bullies?

Taylor has ambition and that brings out bullies.

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. When the victim has more power than the bulky, it is no longer bullying.

Lol, nope. I would think this was written by a bot if not for the spelling.

Lol, yup that is the real working definition of bullying.

“The repetitive intentional hiring of one person by another, where the relationship involves an imbalance of power.”

Taylor has much more power now and should let it go. To bring it up when winning person of
The year and claim her “career suffered a death” and she had to leave the country is distasteful at best and shows a lack of mature thinking and understanding. To then encourage her fans to use bullying tactics against others is icky.

Oh wait, are you the “ick” poster from the other thread?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

I agree 1000%.

She got the upper hand over evil people. I like it. So few of us have the power to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was pathetic when she said something like, 'whatever I do, there's a feminist think piece about me. I don't want them saying things.'

Several times on that call she referred to 'feminists' like they're a crazy fringe group. I thought she claimed to be one? She's afraid to be called one because it's too much of a risk.

This solidified my opinion that she's such a lame role model for girls, is not willing to be bold and take risks, and plays into every female stereotype that guys want. Sorry, there is absolutely nothing challenging or boundary pushing about her, she is a truly boring artist.

Meh. We’re all lucky we didn’t have some opportunistic shitheads secretly recording the dumb stuff we said in our 20’s. Including you.

Doesn’t matter, we didn’t court fame since the age of 13 and our parents didn’t sanction that. The trade off for fame is privacy. Funny how when Linda Tripp and Monica had this recording issue, people weren’t so up in arms that a young girl had a “shithead secretly recording the dumb stuff we said.” Taylor should at the very least acknowledge all the women who came before her, but she never does. It is a missed opportunity if she means to fight for the rights of women other than herself.

Wrong. She thanked Beyoncé in the last month.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

You seem to be most offended by the patriarchy issue. Please keep in mind that she is about overcoming multiple kinds of hurdles and challenges, not just "the patriarchy". And she is an artist and this is how she communicates. She doesn't have to communicate the way you think is best.

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Taylor is living rent free in your head.

We "haters" have plenty of room in our head for other things. TayTay's simplistic antics don't exactly require a lot of brain power.

Keep telling yourself that. Here it is December 22 and you are duscussing soneine you don't like.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

She has done a TON of that. Just not in a magazine article celebrating her as person of the year.

Making bracelets and saying “imagine how awful my life would have been if I had been RAPED” don’t count.

Seek help.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m surprised that she ever even consented to him talking about having sex with her. Why would she agree to that? WTF?

Right! And the idea that she owes him sex is so disgusting.

And he didn’t make her famous. He’s a horrible person.

Here is the thing: of course what he did was atrocious, and he is seriously mentally ill. But Taylor is monetizing your empathy and anger. She wants you to feel sorry for her. She wants you to feel worse than you have for any other pop star or female figure involved in a sex scandal. You should want her to be vindicated for this awful experience with Kanye. And by standing up for her and being her fan, you will also be vindicated for all the wrongs you have felt also as a woman operating in a world of misogyny. Her platform right now is built partially upon the idea that if you buy into her and her albums and music, you will also be owning the patriarchy. She has monetized that feeling for her fans, but it doesn’t work like that.

Good lord

This is complete nonsense

Go ahead, explain why it is nonesense. It is what she is doing with the rebranding and the rereleasing of her albums. No one cares about scooter or Kanye really, except Taylor. He doesn’t affect her fan’s lives at all, but still they rapidly defend her about those two topics. It is because the fans are thinking they are fighting against misogyny and a big bad evil, when in reality, they are just generating more free PR for Taylor and giving her more money for albums they already heard. She doesn’t need the money, but her fans are buying into the idea that they are vindicating her and themselves.

The main reason she re-recorded her songs was not to get sympathy, it was because she was treated badly by people and it made fiscal sense. The industry is littered with stories of artists signing bad contracts because they didn't know if another would come along, they needed up front money to live (Jewel was living in her car before she made it big), etc. The industry is terrible and predatory. The difference here is that Taylor's re-recordings are a huge money maker, vs. say if Jewel (who I'm a big fan of), re-recorded her early stuff. It would cost her to get studio space, hire the team, market it, etc. and I doubt she would break even much less make money.

Taylor was in a time in her career where she could take advantage of sticking it to powerful men who thought they were in charge of her career. I don't have sympathy for her there, I have admiration.

Similarly, when she sued the DJ for $1 who grabbed her ass cause he thought he could and thought it would make a fun story. That's something I don't have the resources to do - if crap like that happens to 99% of women we have to shake it off (sorry) or just stuff it down, and it's pretty bad ass that she used her legal team and resources to make a point.

Do I think she did it for me? No. But it still felt pretty good.

Same with the Kanya and the "Imma let you finish but" VMA incident. Unless you think it was some big conspiracy theory, that was something that happened to a teen age Taylor - taking her accomplishment and having some arrogant prick of a man ruin it for her and make her feel crappy even though she did nothing wrong. She didn't plan that, but yes, getting the upper hand later on when he and his dumb wife tried to double down felt good. I know it was not about me, and it didn't right any wrongs in my own life, but damn it felt good and yes it made me like her more.

Exactly. She is making money off of vengeance and “justice” over things and people that wronged her. If you buy into it, you feel justice and it feels good and you buy more into her. She is completely monetizing the feeling of revenge for the patriarchy. She may scratch the surface of the patriarchy, but she isn’t making much of a difference. If that were her intent, she would have concentrated her TIME comments on how to help other women navigate and increase their power in the world, rather than harping on HER past. I don’t really respect that, nor do I think it is helping to use bullying tactics (sic my sister fans on these big baddies) to get back at people. She is making bank on people who feel like you do though PP.

Dp so you don't think she should get paid for her work, do you?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought it was pathetic when she said something like, 'whatever I do, there's a feminist think piece about me. I don't want them saying things.'

Several times on that call she referred to 'feminists' like they're a crazy fringe group. I thought she claimed to be one? She's afraid to be called one because it's too much of a risk.

This solidified my opinion that she's such a lame role model for girls, is not willing to be bold and take risks, and plays into every female stereotype that guys want. Sorry, there is absolutely nothing challenging or boundary pushing about her, she is a truly boring artist.

Meh. We’re all lucky we didn’t have some opportunistic shitheads secretly recording the dumb stuff we said in our 20’s. Including you.

Doesn’t matter, we didn’t court fame since the age of 13 and our parents didn’t sanction that. The trade off for fame is privacy. Funny how when Linda Tripp and Monica had this recording issue, people weren’t so up in arms that a young girl had a “shithead secretly recording the dumb stuff we said.” Taylor should at the very least acknowledge all the women who came before her, but she never does. It is a missed opportunity if she means to fight for the rights of women other than herself.

Wrong. She thanked Beyoncé in the last month.

Beyoncé has also always kept her distance from the dumpster fire that is Kanye and Kim. She knows.