Expected timeline to withdraw applications after ED decisions

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Anonymous wrote:This is a more complicated issue then people are making it sound, at least for an applicant applying for FA.

My DC will get an ED decision on Friday afternoon. The school is need blind. The school also asked for the CSS documents and we submitted them all, including in response to follow up requests. But the application portal shows that not all the financial documents requested have even been uploaded from College Board by the school, although they were submitted weeks ago. We called the telephone number for questions on FA listed on the portal and they assured us there is no problem with our submission and they are just backed up and haven't been able to process things yet. They said the ED decision is totally separate. They had no estimate of when the CSS submission would be processed. So I don't see how a child in that situation will be expected to "immediately" withdraw any other applications if there isn't even any clarity on when an FA decision will be made.

I don’t think ED is actually suggested for those who need significant FA. You would want options open I should think.

This is not true.
ED is for everyone if it is your 1st choice school.
For those who need aid, you do the school estimator. You call the school and talk to see if they can give you an estimate. 3 schools my DS was looking at this year reached out and offered a pre-admit aid estimate. (Not an official name but you get the idea).

However if you want to merit aid shop to compare multiple packages - not just if your 1st choice school will come in to what they estimated - ED is not the right choice.

DeanJ from UVA said on IG this year that Ed wasn’t for you if you needed to see the financial aid award. I think she was saying particularly this year where things might be a little messy but not sure.

I’d love to see this quote. UVA is need-blind and meet-full-need, so this is very off-message if she said it about UVA specifically (rather than a more general statement that FA policies vary by school, so if you need FA be sure you understand their policy before submitting an ED application).

I think the drawback is that you can't compare aid from multiple schools if you ED at one. You could get full need from UVA and then full need + merit money at another school.

No, you can't get "full need + merit money" at another school. That's not how it works.

Why do some people think they should just get more money after full need? The people who whine about this never ceases to amaze me.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a more complicated issue then people are making it sound, at least for an applicant applying for FA.

My DC will get an ED decision on Friday afternoon. The school is need blind. The school also asked for the CSS documents and we submitted them all, including in response to follow up requests. But the application portal shows that not all the financial documents requested have even been uploaded from College Board by the school, although they were submitted weeks ago. We called the telephone number for questions on FA listed on the portal and they assured us there is no problem with our submission and they are just backed up and haven't been able to process things yet. They said the ED decision is totally separate. They had no estimate of when the CSS submission would be processed. So I don't see how a child in that situation will be expected to "immediately" withdraw any other applications if there isn't even any clarity on when an FA decision will be made.

I don’t think ED is actually suggested for those who need significant FA. You would want options open I should think.

This is not true.
ED is for everyone if it is your 1st choice school.
For those who need aid, you do the school estimator. You call the school and talk to see if they can give you an estimate. 3 schools my DS was looking at this year reached out and offered a pre-admit aid estimate. (Not an official name but you get the idea).

However if you want to merit aid shop to compare multiple packages - not just if your 1st choice school will come in to what they estimated - ED is not the right choice.

DeanJ from UVA said on IG this year that Ed wasn’t for you if you needed to see the financial aid award. I think she was saying particularly this year where things might be a little messy but not sure.

I’d love to see this quote. UVA is need-blind and meet-full-need, so this is very off-message if she said it about UVA specifically (rather than a more general statement that FA policies vary by school, so if you need FA be sure you understand their policy before submitting an ED application).

I think the drawback is that you can't compare aid from multiple schools if you ED at one. You could get full need from UVA and then full need + merit money at another school.

No, you can't get "full need + merit money" at another school. That's not how it works.

Why do some people think they should just get more money after full need? The people who whine about this never ceases to amaze me.

I mean that if the you qualify for some need-based aid, but not a lot. UVA will say "we met your need," but another school might give that and more with merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school college counselor said that if you find out on Friday, by the time you come to school Monday she expects you to have withdrawn all your other applications, assuming there are no financial aid issues.

DS spent 5 minutes and doesn’t see where to withdraw apps so he’s done trying. He probably hasn’t set up the portals. Don’t worry, he’s not taking anyone’s financial aid.

He's taking their actual SPOT at the university, if he's admitted. So he should try a bit harder to figure it out. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Just someone with morals and ethics

But kid could get a merit scholarship from a later acceptance and might choose, for example, RD Syracuse with $40,000 merit vs Wake Forest ED at full price $75,000.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school college counselor said that if you find out on Friday, by the time you come to school Monday she expects you to have withdrawn all your other applications, assuming there are no financial aid issues.

DS spent 5 minutes and doesn’t see where to withdraw apps so he’s done trying. He probably hasn’t set up the portals. Don’t worry, he’s not taking anyone’s financial aid.

He's taking their actual SPOT at the university, if he's admitted. So he should try a bit harder to figure it out. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Just someone with morals and ethics

But kid could get a merit scholarship from a later acceptance and might choose, for example, RD Syracuse with $40,000 merit vs Wake Forest ED at full price $75,000.

Dp here. That's not how it works. With ED, if you get in, that's where you go, you don't compare with other schools. (You immediately withdraw the applications to other schools without seeing the results.)

You're thinking of EA. With EA, you can compare offers with other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Our school college counselor said that if you find out on Friday, by the time you come to school Monday she expects you to have withdrawn all your other applications, assuming there are no financial aid issues.

DS spent 5 minutes and doesn’t see where to withdraw apps so he’s done trying. He probably hasn’t set up the portals. Don’t worry, he’s not taking anyone’s financial aid.

He's taking their actual SPOT at the university, if he's admitted. So he should try a bit harder to figure it out. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. Just someone with morals and ethics

But kid could get a merit scholarship from a later acceptance and might choose, for example, RD Syracuse with $40,000 merit vs Wake Forest ED at full price $75,000.

Dp here. That's not how it works. With ED, if you get in, that's where you go, you don't compare with other schools. (You immediately withdraw the applications to other schools without seeing the results.)

You're thinking of EA. With EA, you can compare offers with other schools.

The ED agreement clearly gives an out for financial reasons.

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From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

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Anonymous wrote:From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

So you can't compare offers.

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Anonymous wrote:From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

So you can't compare offers.

If ED college awards $0 and Syracuse (or wherever) awards $40,000, I don't think anyone will cry foul if you don't go with the $70,000 ED option.

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Anonymous wrote:From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

So you can't compare offers.

If ED college awards $0 and Syracuse (or wherever) awards $40,000, I don't think anyone will cry foul if you don't go with the $70,000 ED option.

But you should pull other applications after the financial aid notification of ED school instead of waiting for other acceptances to roll in to compare those offers.

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Anonymous wrote:From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

So you can't compare offers.

If ED college awards $0 and Syracuse (or wherever) awards $40,000, I don't think anyone will cry foul if you don't go with the $70,000 ED option.

The info in quotes is saying you can wait to see what your ED school is offering for aid. It is NOT saying you can then also wait for other offers.

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Anonymous wrote:From the ED agreement: “If the student is an early decision candidate and is seeking financial aid, the student need not withdraw other applications until the student has received notification about financial aid from the admitting early decision institution.”

So you can't compare offers.

If ED college awards $0 and Syracuse (or wherever) awards $40,000, I don't think anyone will cry foul if you don't go with the $70,000 ED option.

The info in quotes is saying you can wait to see what your ED school is offering for aid. It is NOT saying you can then also wait for other offers.

Sue me.

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I’ve only seen people back out of ED if the school doesn’t meet demonstrated/expected need. It happened at our school last year for a NESCAC LAC. I think the kid got what he expected based on the aid calculator but it wasn’t good enough - he was from a donut hole family. I’m honestly a bit worried it will hurt this years class at the school he withdrew from, where my DD is applying RD. I would imagine this is one of the few ways your high school gets blacklisted.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve only seen people back out of ED if the school doesn’t meet demonstrated/expected need. It happened at our school last year for a NESCAC LAC. I think the kid got what he expected based on the aid calculator but it wasn’t good enough - he was from a donut hole family. I’m honestly a bit worried it will hurt this years class at the school he withdrew from, where my DD is applying RD. I would imagine this is one of the few ways your high school gets blacklisted.

How did his being from a donut hole family affect this? Sounds like the family wasn’t honest with themselves about what they could afford.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve only seen people back out of ED if the school doesn’t meet demonstrated/expected need. It happened at our school last year for a NESCAC LAC. I think the kid got what he expected based on the aid calculator but it wasn’t good enough - he was from a donut hole family. I’m honestly a bit worried it will hurt this years class at the school he withdrew from, where my DD is applying RD. I would imagine this is one of the few ways your high school gets blacklisted.

How did his being from a donut hole family affect this? Sounds like the family wasn’t honest with themselves about what they could afford.

I agree. My kid didn’t apply ED anywhere but I imagine the college counselors are hyper aware after that. My kid goes to a private so positive college relationships are extra important to maintain.

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Anonymous wrote:You should withdraw them immediately by sending an email to the Director of Admissions. You have signed a binding agreement and made a promise and now you must keep it immediately. A parent who suggests otherwise is not teaching the right lesson.

good lord. calm down.

Good Lord. Don't post obnoxious remarks.

Exactly -- this tells us a lot about the kind of person you are.