Harvard of South - Emory, Duke, Rice or Vanderbilt?

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

+1 how did Tulane get into this conversation? Tulane is Several Tiers below the others. I just met a 21 grad from Tulane, he was lovely and personable. But no way in hell is he the caliber of an ivy or vandy/duke/rice.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

+1 how did Tulane get into this conversation? Tulane is Several Tiers below the others. I just met a 21 grad from Tulane, he was lovely and personable. But no way in hell is he the caliber of an ivy or vandy/duke/rice.

It matters who you encounter - I've met a few recent Tulane grads who run rings around the last 20 - 30 recent Ivy grads I've encountered.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of those schools really want or care about being Harvard of the South, they’re all well respected in their own ways. But if we’re talking about the best school in the South, it’s Duke full-stop. Not particularly close.

That just isn't true. Duke has a lot of grad schools and departments that are just ok. It is a very good overall school but is more the Cornell of the South than the Harvard of the South. Harvard and Stanford are universities with no real weak areas.

LOL, for undergrad Duke blows Cornell out of the water. The cross-admit ratio is like 75-25 in favor of Duke.

Cant imagine any reason to pick Cornell over Duke.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

I know vandy grads working at gas stations, the only ones that truly do well had prior connections before going there.

Wise to jump to sweeping conclusions based on a few people you know...
I know multiple Vandy multimillionaires without major connections. I wouldn't think all end up that way though.

All of these schools have millionaires not really saying much. Try CEOs. If you did you'll see it's Duke> Emory>Vandy> Rice. The last two are just good at gaming US news metrics.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

I know vandy grads working at gas stations, the only ones that truly do well had prior connections before going there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9770181/amp/Graduate-students-drowning-debt-200K-earn-low-30K-two-years-later.html

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William and Mary of course.

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Among the many life lessons provided by Save By the Bell: "Madam, north, south, east, or west, there's only one HAAARvard"

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

I know vandy grads working at gas stations, the only ones that truly do well had prior connections before going there.

Well, this candy grad was on FARMs thru elementary school and now makes +$1million per year. That sonoco is very generous.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of those schools really want or care about being Harvard of the South, they’re all well respected in their own ways. But if we’re talking about the best school in the South, it’s Duke full-stop. Not particularly close.

That just isn't true. Duke has a lot of grad schools and departments that are just ok. It is a very good overall school but is more the Cornell of the South than the Harvard of the South. Harvard and Stanford are universities with no real weak areas.

LOL, for undergrad Duke blows Cornell out of the water. The cross-admit ratio is like 75-25 in favor of Duke.

Is there data on this beyond Parchment? I'd agree Duke is far closer to Cornell than Harvard or Stanford though. Both Duke and Cornell have mostly strong programs, including a few standouts, good but not top 5 league types of professional and grad schools, and good but not top overall name recognition. I'd say the assessment isn't bad.

The most accurate comparison to me would be calling Duke the Chicago of the East. Chicago does have better professional and grad schools overall but Duke is slightly better for undergrad.

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All of these schools are good but are seen as truly prestigious only regionally. DC is technically the south, so I think we tend to view them as better than other regions do.
In California, you'd be hard pressed to find people who think Duke is better than Cal or UCLA and they wouldn't see it as a peer of Stanford or top ivies either. It is kind of like a private UCLA: a great school with great basketball tradition!

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Anonymous wrote:All of these schools are good but are seen as truly prestigious only regionally. DC is technically the south, so I think we tend to view them as better than other regions do.
In California, you'd be hard pressed to find people who think Duke is better than Cal or UCLA and they wouldn't see it as a peer of Stanford or top ivies either. It is kind of like a private UCLA: a great school with great basketball tradition!

And people on the east coast don't think all that highly of UCLA.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of those schools really want or care about being Harvard of the South, they’re all well respected in their own ways. But if we’re talking about the best school in the South, it’s Duke full-stop. Not particularly close.

That just isn't true. Duke has a lot of grad schools and departments that are just ok. It is a very good overall school but is more the Cornell of the South than the Harvard of the South. Harvard and Stanford are universities with no real weak areas.

LOL, for undergrad Duke blows Cornell out of the water. The cross-admit ratio is like 75-25 in favor of Duke.

Cant imagine any reason to pick Cornell over Duke.

Cornell has stronger academics in many departments. It also is in a beautiful location. A lot of people would never live in North Carolina.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard Tulane described this way. I think it’s silly and inaccurate. Harvard is Harvard. Duke is Duke. Very different schools with different strengths and cultures. I don’t see the point in forcing comparisons and imagining similarities that aren’t really there. No one says that Harvard is the Vanderbilt of the North. It’s possible and more useful to just look at each school separately as an academic and cultural environment.

Outcomes at Tulane are vastly vastly different from outcomes at Vanderbilt or Duke in particular.

Second and third tier order of jobs for similar majors at Tulane.

I know vandy grads working at gas stations, the only ones that truly do well had prior connections before going there.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9770181/amp/Graduate-students-drowning-debt-200K-earn-low-30K-two-years-later.html

Those are Masters degree students in poorly chosen majors

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think any of those schools really want or care about being Harvard of the South, they’re all well respected in their own ways. But if we’re talking about the best school in the South, it’s Duke full-stop. Not particularly close.

That just isn't true. Duke has a lot of grad schools and departments that are just ok. It is a very good overall school but is more the Cornell of the South than the Harvard of the South. Harvard and Stanford are universities with no real weak areas.

LOL, for undergrad Duke blows Cornell out of the water. The cross-admit ratio is like 75-25 in favor of Duke.

Cant imagine any reason to pick Cornell over Duke.

Engineering and business. Most of those students will choose Cornell over Duke

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of these schools are good but are seen as truly prestigious only regionally. DC is technically the south, so I think we tend to view them as better than other regions do.
In California, you'd be hard pressed to find people who think Duke is better than Cal or UCLA and they wouldn't see it as a peer of Stanford or top ivies either. It is kind of like a private UCLA: a great school with great basketball tradition!

And people on the east coast don't think all that highly of UCLA.

Which is fair. And I find to be true. The East Coast, the South, and the Midwest don't really think about UCLA. And most people in California don't think at all about Michigan, UNC, or Virginia.

They are generally regional schools. Maybe Berkeley still has the name. But they hardly admit anyone from OOS except a few full pay folks. So that will change over time.

For schools with national appeal, it will always be the privates, including some of the southern schools like Duke, Vanderbilt, and Rice. Comparing them to Harvard or whatever is a fairly pointless conversation. Harvard is Harvard but it's not great at everything. Most engineering students would take Rice then Duke then Vanderbilt before Harvard.

Don't think Emory, much less Tulane, are part of the same conversation.